People like simple solutions and Reform aren’t going to let something like being completely unworkable and unrealistic get in the way of their offering simple solutions. Just like with Brexit. People wanted the simple solution, leave. After that? Nevermind after that. If only people had as much interest in politics as they do celebrity drama or superhero movies.
A mix of *fucking idiots* and disenfranchised misled suffering people
Inject this into my veins.
I’m working remotely in Colombia (and before you lot bang on about immigration, my firm were asked to take on a project by the Colombian government, so I’m here upon request), so I wasn’t able to canvass and knock doors, but by all accounts a huge chunk of voters in southern constituencies are royally fucked off with the way things have gone over the last 14 years, and don’t see Labour as a viable option.
I don’t care about the lack of seats. It’s FPTP. This was only ever a starting point. PR will be where it’s at in the next Senedd elections.
We could realistically see our lot getting a quarter of Senedd seats, including big name constituencies who have only ever been red (Nia Griffith only got in by 1,000 votes and she’s loved in the constituency. Lee Waters doesn’t have a chance).
How do Plaid supporters feel about being beaten into third place in their own country, by a right wing party with no electoral history, that’s diametrically opposed to them? What needs to change for Plaid to be taken seriously at Westminster? Not a dig. Genuine question.
Thoughts, accusations of racism, bilious hatred, and “You’re an idiot” below please….
How many seats did Reform get in Wales though?
A jaded and disappointed electorate reaching for an alternative to what they’ve seen before. Think of it like an impulse vote.
Not voting Tory, won’t go to Labour, not willing to take the Greens seriously… No interest in reading a manifesto, unwilling to engage with any political party that isn’t on the TV.
Plaid has existed long enough to accumulate baggage, baggage which can drive away these prospective impulse voters.
Reform are new enough that someone who doesn’t look too hard will see a blank slate (some are fine with the shit that’s under the sheets, I don’t pretend otherwise, I just doubt it’s ALL reform voters).
Labour should be scared when Senedd elections roll around, since we have PR and an electorate that are demanding change.
Plaid and Reform will be a larger presence, Tories will still have a presence. Labour is going to lose ground.
220,000 who probably voted for Brexit as well.
Okay but Reform still polled at sub 20%. You have a really weird chip on your shoulder when it comes to Plaid Cymru – you’re always on about them. For such an irrelevance you do bring them up a lot!
But there’s more to Wales and Welsh politics than just one party. By your own metrics Reform is a fringe party. Should other parties be worried about Reform?
Yes. Absolutely. They’ve shown that there is a fraction of the population who is concerned with specific issues and will vote on those issues. Hopefully, more reasonable parties will tackle the issues raised in a healthy and constructive – and realistic – way.
But Reform absolutely has a ceiling. That ceiling is higher than I’d like it to be, definitely – but it’s also lower than you’d like it to be.
Especially under a PR system where you need other parties to be willing to work with you.
This is literally in the opening sentences of their manifesto.
“Divisive, ‘woke’ ideology has captured our public institutions. Transgender indoctrination is causing irreversible harm to children.”
So they are basically saying they don’t like well-informed people and they are anti human rights.
HOLY SHIT I kept on reading the manifesto and just a few sentences later.
“We will unlock Britain’s vast energy treasure of oil and gas to slash energy bills”.
So they don’t believe in climate breakdown nor environmental destruction and that we are breaking all the records of biodiversity loss and temperatures pretty much daily around the world.
I must stop reading this.
One party is bankrolled by billionaires with suspicious Russian links.
The other is funded by Welsh people.
Yet plaid have four seats and reform has zero.
You can take that Welsh dragon off your head now mate while you’re at it.
Nationwide the conservative losses are mostly the reform gains, so this meme doesn’t really say anything or own anybody? The right wing vote was split, resulting in a massive labour victory. The vote share of Plaid in many constituencies has increased, so has the total number of voters that chose them and they doubled their number of seats. If anything, it’s been a fabulous night for Plaid.
I can’t possibly know your motives for this post but the vibe is very demeaning and I find that just unnecessary?
IMHO, the UK (and particularly Wales) is in dire need of proportional representation rather than first past the post/majority rules.
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Plaid got their highest vote share ever
People like simple solutions and Reform aren’t going to let something like being completely unworkable and unrealistic get in the way of their offering simple solutions. Just like with Brexit. People wanted the simple solution, leave. After that? Nevermind after that. If only people had as much interest in politics as they do celebrity drama or superhero movies.
A mix of *fucking idiots* and disenfranchised misled suffering people
Inject this into my veins.
I’m working remotely in Colombia (and before you lot bang on about immigration, my firm were asked to take on a project by the Colombian government, so I’m here upon request), so I wasn’t able to canvass and knock doors, but by all accounts a huge chunk of voters in southern constituencies are royally fucked off with the way things have gone over the last 14 years, and don’t see Labour as a viable option.
I don’t care about the lack of seats. It’s FPTP. This was only ever a starting point. PR will be where it’s at in the next Senedd elections.
We could realistically see our lot getting a quarter of Senedd seats, including big name constituencies who have only ever been red (Nia Griffith only got in by 1,000 votes and she’s loved in the constituency. Lee Waters doesn’t have a chance).
How do Plaid supporters feel about being beaten into third place in their own country, by a right wing party with no electoral history, that’s diametrically opposed to them? What needs to change for Plaid to be taken seriously at Westminster? Not a dig. Genuine question.
Thoughts, accusations of racism, bilious hatred, and “You’re an idiot” below please….
How many seats did Reform get in Wales though?
A jaded and disappointed electorate reaching for an alternative to what they’ve seen before. Think of it like an impulse vote.
Not voting Tory, won’t go to Labour, not willing to take the Greens seriously… No interest in reading a manifesto, unwilling to engage with any political party that isn’t on the TV.
Plaid has existed long enough to accumulate baggage, baggage which can drive away these prospective impulse voters.
Reform are new enough that someone who doesn’t look too hard will see a blank slate (some are fine with the shit that’s under the sheets, I don’t pretend otherwise, I just doubt it’s ALL reform voters).
Labour should be scared when Senedd elections roll around, since we have PR and an electorate that are demanding change.
Plaid and Reform will be a larger presence, Tories will still have a presence. Labour is going to lose ground.
220,000 who probably voted for Brexit as well.
Okay but Reform still polled at sub 20%. You have a really weird chip on your shoulder when it comes to Plaid Cymru – you’re always on about them. For such an irrelevance you do bring them up a lot!
But there’s more to Wales and Welsh politics than just one party. By your own metrics Reform is a fringe party. Should other parties be worried about Reform?
Yes. Absolutely. They’ve shown that there is a fraction of the population who is concerned with specific issues and will vote on those issues. Hopefully, more reasonable parties will tackle the issues raised in a healthy and constructive – and realistic – way.
But Reform absolutely has a ceiling. That ceiling is higher than I’d like it to be, definitely – but it’s also lower than you’d like it to be.
Especially under a PR system where you need other parties to be willing to work with you.
This is literally in the opening sentences of their manifesto.
“Divisive, ‘woke’ ideology has captured our public institutions. Transgender indoctrination is causing irreversible harm to children.”
So they are basically saying they don’t like well-informed people and they are anti human rights.
HOLY SHIT I kept on reading the manifesto and just a few sentences later.
“We will unlock Britain’s vast energy treasure of oil and gas to slash energy bills”.
So they don’t believe in climate breakdown nor environmental destruction and that we are breaking all the records of biodiversity loss and temperatures pretty much daily around the world.
I must stop reading this.
One party is bankrolled by billionaires with suspicious Russian links.
The other is funded by Welsh people.
Yet plaid have four seats and reform has zero.
You can take that Welsh dragon off your head now mate while you’re at it.
Nationwide the conservative losses are mostly the reform gains, so this meme doesn’t really say anything or own anybody? The right wing vote was split, resulting in a massive labour victory. The vote share of Plaid in many constituencies has increased, so has the total number of voters that chose them and they doubled their number of seats. If anything, it’s been a fabulous night for Plaid.
I can’t possibly know your motives for this post but the vibe is very demeaning and I find that just unnecessary?
IMHO, the UK (and particularly Wales) is in dire need of proportional representation rather than first past the post/majority rules.