AfD-Mitglieder dürfen laut deutschem Gericht keine Waffen besitzen

https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/07/afd-members-not-allowed-to-own-guns-german-court-rules/

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  2. I’m genuinely surprised that they took the step of literally stripping their political opponents of rights. Its authoritarian and just plainly outrageous.

  3. I’m not particularly lamenting anyone’s lack of guns, but from a democratic perspective this is frightening

    The logic used of “a party is suspected but not found guilty of being anti-constitution -> your association with that party makes you suspect of our suspicion of the party as an institution -> because of all the above assumptions, we will also further assume that you are unreliable to possess guns” is 1) a lot of general assumptions, 2) guilt by association, and 3) presumption of guilty until proven innocent that doesn’t sit easy with me.

    Not German, and I know Germany has their own view on things so that’s their prerogative, but I think if any one of those items were occurring in my own country, I would hope there would be protests on the rightness of it- let alone if all 3 were occurring. This very loose legal reasoning could very easily get uno-reversed into some rulings current supporters of this decision might find extremely disagreeable.

    I just think the ends do not justify the means on this one, until at the very least the party is proven guilty (even then I don’t love assuming guilt by association of all members… but at least I could understand the justification as a matter of imminent security concerns). These means of forfeiture of privileges being brought into the fold seem dangerous to civil society.

  4. Would you mind if we borrowed your court for just 5 minutes or so?

  5. I consider myself a bit of a leftist, but this seems wrong, if they weren’t proven in a court of law if doing anything illegal that would warrant this, than it sets a terrible precedent.

    The government may have legitimate fears, but it makes me fear the government more now. It would just embolden AfD supporters, and give them media attention as a result.

  6. Is this website actually a new site, or is it (as the name suggests) far right propaganda.

  7. What is next,Jews can’t have guns because they support Israel?

  8. Not a bad idea we should do the same in the us. Cant fuck around with wanna be nazi assholes who always act in bad faith.

  10. Germany took guns away from Jews awhile back.  It didn’t end well.
    This happened to a bunch of other groups as well.

  12. That’s a big political move, something is going to happen and we are getting closer to it

  13. This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/07/afd-members-not-allowed-to-own-guns-german-court-rules/) reduced by 78%. (I’m a bot)
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    > Those with connections to Germany's Alternative für Deutschland party are not allowed to own firearms, according to a decision by a Düsseldorf Administrative Court.

    > "The federal party AfD was classified as a suspected case by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which was confirmed by the Higher Administrative Court for the State of North Rhine-Westphalia The chamber has agreed with this.”

    > German authorities are legally allowed to keep spying on the country's second-largest political party, a court has ruled.

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  15. Someone needs to develop a tally plugin for Reddit, where every post displays the live count of how often either the term ‘nazi’ or ‘racist’ is used in a thread.

    I remember reading before that ‘the’ is the most used word in the English language; on Reddit it has to be the two aforementioned.

    Ironic considering it’s highly unlikely the Reddit demographic has any actual interaction or understanding of Naziism, historical or ideological, beyond that portrayed in marvel films with Captain America vs Red Skull.

  16. I’m not going to feel bad for Germany if (when) they snap

  17. Take away the rights of the people you dont like. Understood

  18. Why no laws for communist and leftist not allowed to own guns?

  19. There’s a lot of Americans here showing their utter ignorance of both German gun laws and the AfD political affiliation and criminal investigations…

    The Second Amendment is not an universal law.

    And thank Whoever for that.

  20. Good, people that want to overthrow democracy shouldn’t be allowed to arm themselves and have the change to overthrow democracy by violent means.

    Actually, I think guns should be allowed in a general way (some exceptions may apply).

  21. Preventing fascism by taking away rights from people who vote for another official political party.

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