Sir Keir needs a wake up call. After 14 years of Tories the best he could do is increase his vote share by 2%. This wasn’t a vote of approval for Labour it was a vote of dissatisfaction of 14 years of Tories.
There is minimal support for their policies.
The UK desperately needs electoral reform. Regardless of your political position it is ridiculous that Labour have gained a landslide 410 seats on just 33% of the vote (for comparison in 2019 the Tories got 385 seats with 44% of the vote). The Lib Dems have just won 72 seats on 12% of the vote whilst Reform scraped 4 seats on 14% of the vote (whilst the Greens won the same number of seats on less than half the Reform vote share). The UK should not be afraid of coalition governments, for almost every European nation coalitions are the norm. Having a party win 2 thirds of parliamentary seats on 1 third of the vote share is ludicrous and undemocratic.
One of the problems with all the parties is the constant blame they all do.
‘well for the last 14 years the Conservatives have done this’
You get in power and then say exactly the same but say ‘due to the last 14 years we’ve been left with’
I just don’t are. Change, make it better, do what you think is the right thing but have some conviction behind it and stop with all the blame.
Enjoy the ride – 5 years of destruction ahead (to go with the 12 years of destruction we just had)
Amazed Reform got 4 seats despite the broken voting system (Reform got 14% vote share but 1/17th of the seats of the LibDems who only got 12% of the vote share)
Time we had PR!
Can’t wait to see more grooming gangs, authoritarian government control of the internet, social infrastructure destroying mass immigration, communist propaganda being rammed down our throats 24/7 and arrests for “hate speech” in the upcoming miserable 5 years under these tossers.
I’m not a Labour voter, but to be completely honest, I’ve been quite impressed with Keir Starmer. He seems to be the only person that is sensible these days, he’s addressing concerns on the right as well as the left, and he comes across as genuine, sincere and committed.
He seems to have something for everybody, which is incredibly rare in todays polar opposites world of politics.
This is hard for me to say, because I’ve been Tory all my life and tempted by Reform, but Keir deserved to win and I’m glad he is captain of the ship.
I’m a bit disappointed that the lib dems have done so well. Ed Davey is a bit of a clown if you ask me. “We’ve got a meeting with the IMF, where’s Ed?” “Oh…erm, he’s gone sky diving”.
Yep, I’m definitely feeling more hopeful now. I don’t expect them to be perfect or to agree with everything they do, but I think Starmer is about the best choice available to try to rebuild the country. It’s not going to be quick or easy, but I believe we’ll be in a better place after a few years of his leadership.
I’m going to have a run through the various parties and do a bit of analysis:
**Labour:** Undeniably a great result. To come back from the disaster of 2019 and being seen as unelectable to achieve this landslide is a massive achievement. **Positives:** Little opposition, either internal (the massive majority would make rebellions irrelevant) or external (Tories will be in disarray, Lib Dems aren’t major challengers) to disrupt whatever they decide to do. Collapse of the SNP takes Scottish independence off the table, one less thing to worry about. **Negatives:** Inheriting a bad situation and may struggle to have quick wins to point to to extend the honeymoon period. Potential for a lot of factors outside their control (e.g. international crises) to make things difficult and reduce scope for achievements. It’s also undeniable that a significant portion of their vote was “Fuck the Tories”; holding on to those votes will be nigh-impossible. **Prediction:** They won’t wait the full 5 years to go to the polls again, they won’t want to give the Tories time to fully reorganise.
**Tories:** A very, very bad night, with a lot of big names losing their seats. Losing an election after 14 years in government is one thing, but it needn’t have been this bad. **Positives:** Very few. It was not as bad as it could have been. Loss of some big names will at least make the inevitable leadership contest a bit simpler. **Negatives:** A new leader is inevitable, so infighting and factionalism will be the immediate preoccupation. That’s not going to win back voters. Having to contend with another right-wing party in Reform and having the right-wing vote split is a new challenge and not one the party seems to have found an answer to yet. **Prediction:** The new leader will be from the right wing of the party, not the more One Nation types, and the party will struggle as they end up fighting for a lot of the same voters Reform is targeting.
**Liberal Democrats:** A great result for them, running a smart campaign and making significant gains. **Positives:** Managed to hit home with their focus on care services, and Davey has come out of the campaign with a pretty positive image, having blended stunts with genuine-feeling messaging. **Negatives:** Although they’ve won a lot of seats, their vote share is not impressive. **Prediction:** They’ll try to capitalise on the Tories being in trouble and will hope to make progress towards becoming the official opposition.
**Reform:** A pretty strong result, picking up 4 seats. **Positives:** A better vote share than the Lib Dems and have proved strong challengers to the Tories in a lot of places. **Negatives:** It’s unclear how much of their vote is also from the “Fuck the Tories” feeling and might disappear in future. Having Farage as a figurehead is a mixed blessing, as he now has to do the work of being an MP with a constituency. Its unclear if he’s up to that task, he’s previously been much more effective as a campaigner than delivering in a position. Similarly, increased publicity may be positive, but it also revealed numerous problems with their candidates during the campaign. **Prediction:** This is genuinely hard to predict. They are a new, unknown quantity. If I had to guess, I’d go for increasingly Trump-style tactics, trying to win support by complaining of assorted alleged conspiracies against them.
**Green:** Another smaller party who will be happy with their result, they won the seats they were targeting and now also have 4 seats. **Positives:** They clearly have a good strategy team and a sense of what their next moves should be. Managed to avoid too much scrutiny of their policies. **Negatives:** Running local level campaigns has worked, but is clearly going to make it difficult to become a national force. **Prediction:** A two-pronged approach. They’ll continue their local level tactics as they’ve been successful, but will also agitate for more national media coverage, pointing out they have as many MPs as Reform.
We’re certainly quite divided here. Half of us rejoicing over the fact the Tories are destroyed and half of us who are glad the Tories are gone but devastated by Labour ending up in charge.
It’s been 14 years and honestly it’s a bit scary thinking what the next 5 years could look like. Me personally I’m not a big fan of Keir and his party but I understood that the Tories were bad for this country.
The only thing that matters to me is the betterment and improvement of this once great nation who has seen tremendous decline under Tory rule.
of course we’re going to have different views on how we achieve this goal, we’re never going to agree. But in the end we can all agree that we need better for this country. We can do better and I don’t know whether Keir will be able to achieve that.
Or any other party for that fact. All we can do is hope it can and if Labour is able to achieve this mandate, god forbid.
I think one this for sure. I believe things would only get worse under the Tories, I have zero regrets about voting them out. Maybe things will get worse or even worser under Labour, we don’t know. It’s a gamble. But I prefer to try something new than to stick to what isn’t working at all.
Time will tell.
People don’t realise how disastrous Keir Starmer & Labour government will be, nothing will get fixed and if anything it will be made a lot worse!
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Sir Keir needs a wake up call. After 14 years of Tories the best he could do is increase his vote share by 2%. This wasn’t a vote of approval for Labour it was a vote of dissatisfaction of 14 years of Tories.
There is minimal support for their policies.
The UK desperately needs electoral reform. Regardless of your political position it is ridiculous that Labour have gained a landslide 410 seats on just 33% of the vote (for comparison in 2019 the Tories got 385 seats with 44% of the vote). The Lib Dems have just won 72 seats on 12% of the vote whilst Reform scraped 4 seats on 14% of the vote (whilst the Greens won the same number of seats on less than half the Reform vote share). The UK should not be afraid of coalition governments, for almost every European nation coalitions are the norm. Having a party win 2 thirds of parliamentary seats on 1 third of the vote share is ludicrous and undemocratic.
One of the problems with all the parties is the constant blame they all do.
‘well for the last 14 years the Conservatives have done this’
You get in power and then say exactly the same but say ‘due to the last 14 years we’ve been left with’
I just don’t are. Change, make it better, do what you think is the right thing but have some conviction behind it and stop with all the blame.
Enjoy the ride – 5 years of destruction ahead (to go with the 12 years of destruction we just had)
Amazed Reform got 4 seats despite the broken voting system (Reform got 14% vote share but 1/17th of the seats of the LibDems who only got 12% of the vote share)
Time we had PR!
Can’t wait to see more grooming gangs, authoritarian government control of the internet, social infrastructure destroying mass immigration, communist propaganda being rammed down our throats 24/7 and arrests for “hate speech” in the upcoming miserable 5 years under these tossers.
I’m not a Labour voter, but to be completely honest, I’ve been quite impressed with Keir Starmer. He seems to be the only person that is sensible these days, he’s addressing concerns on the right as well as the left, and he comes across as genuine, sincere and committed.
He seems to have something for everybody, which is incredibly rare in todays polar opposites world of politics.
This is hard for me to say, because I’ve been Tory all my life and tempted by Reform, but Keir deserved to win and I’m glad he is captain of the ship.
I’m a bit disappointed that the lib dems have done so well. Ed Davey is a bit of a clown if you ask me. “We’ve got a meeting with the IMF, where’s Ed?” “Oh…erm, he’s gone sky diving”.
Yep, I’m definitely feeling more hopeful now. I don’t expect them to be perfect or to agree with everything they do, but I think Starmer is about the best choice available to try to rebuild the country. It’s not going to be quick or easy, but I believe we’ll be in a better place after a few years of his leadership.
I’m going to have a run through the various parties and do a bit of analysis:
**Labour:** Undeniably a great result. To come back from the disaster of 2019 and being seen as unelectable to achieve this landslide is a massive achievement. **Positives:** Little opposition, either internal (the massive majority would make rebellions irrelevant) or external (Tories will be in disarray, Lib Dems aren’t major challengers) to disrupt whatever they decide to do. Collapse of the SNP takes Scottish independence off the table, one less thing to worry about. **Negatives:** Inheriting a bad situation and may struggle to have quick wins to point to to extend the honeymoon period. Potential for a lot of factors outside their control (e.g. international crises) to make things difficult and reduce scope for achievements. It’s also undeniable that a significant portion of their vote was “Fuck the Tories”; holding on to those votes will be nigh-impossible. **Prediction:** They won’t wait the full 5 years to go to the polls again, they won’t want to give the Tories time to fully reorganise.
**Tories:** A very, very bad night, with a lot of big names losing their seats. Losing an election after 14 years in government is one thing, but it needn’t have been this bad. **Positives:** Very few. It was not as bad as it could have been. Loss of some big names will at least make the inevitable leadership contest a bit simpler. **Negatives:** A new leader is inevitable, so infighting and factionalism will be the immediate preoccupation. That’s not going to win back voters. Having to contend with another right-wing party in Reform and having the right-wing vote split is a new challenge and not one the party seems to have found an answer to yet. **Prediction:** The new leader will be from the right wing of the party, not the more One Nation types, and the party will struggle as they end up fighting for a lot of the same voters Reform is targeting.
**Liberal Democrats:** A great result for them, running a smart campaign and making significant gains. **Positives:** Managed to hit home with their focus on care services, and Davey has come out of the campaign with a pretty positive image, having blended stunts with genuine-feeling messaging. **Negatives:** Although they’ve won a lot of seats, their vote share is not impressive. **Prediction:** They’ll try to capitalise on the Tories being in trouble and will hope to make progress towards becoming the official opposition.
**Reform:** A pretty strong result, picking up 4 seats. **Positives:** A better vote share than the Lib Dems and have proved strong challengers to the Tories in a lot of places. **Negatives:** It’s unclear how much of their vote is also from the “Fuck the Tories” feeling and might disappear in future. Having Farage as a figurehead is a mixed blessing, as he now has to do the work of being an MP with a constituency. Its unclear if he’s up to that task, he’s previously been much more effective as a campaigner than delivering in a position. Similarly, increased publicity may be positive, but it also revealed numerous problems with their candidates during the campaign. **Prediction:** This is genuinely hard to predict. They are a new, unknown quantity. If I had to guess, I’d go for increasingly Trump-style tactics, trying to win support by complaining of assorted alleged conspiracies against them.
**Green:** Another smaller party who will be happy with their result, they won the seats they were targeting and now also have 4 seats. **Positives:** They clearly have a good strategy team and a sense of what their next moves should be. Managed to avoid too much scrutiny of their policies. **Negatives:** Running local level campaigns has worked, but is clearly going to make it difficult to become a national force. **Prediction:** A two-pronged approach. They’ll continue their local level tactics as they’ve been successful, but will also agitate for more national media coverage, pointing out they have as many MPs as Reform.
We’re certainly quite divided here. Half of us rejoicing over the fact the Tories are destroyed and half of us who are glad the Tories are gone but devastated by Labour ending up in charge.
It’s been 14 years and honestly it’s a bit scary thinking what the next 5 years could look like. Me personally I’m not a big fan of Keir and his party but I understood that the Tories were bad for this country.
The only thing that matters to me is the betterment and improvement of this once great nation who has seen tremendous decline under Tory rule.
of course we’re going to have different views on how we achieve this goal, we’re never going to agree. But in the end we can all agree that we need better for this country. We can do better and I don’t know whether Keir will be able to achieve that.
Or any other party for that fact. All we can do is hope it can and if Labour is able to achieve this mandate, god forbid.
I think one this for sure. I believe things would only get worse under the Tories, I have zero regrets about voting them out. Maybe things will get worse or even worser under Labour, we don’t know. It’s a gamble. But I prefer to try something new than to stick to what isn’t working at all.
Time will tell.
People don’t realise how disastrous Keir Starmer & Labour government will be, nothing will get fixed and if anything it will be made a lot worse!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CvfI6xA-Cq8&pp=ygUdUGV0ZXIgSGl0Y2hlbnMgb24gS2lhIFN0YXJtZXI%3D