Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?

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1. Because Trump lying is nothing new and everyone knew he would do it…Biden had one shot to prove that all the stories of him being feeble were false and he fell on his face in horrendous fashion.

2. Because Trump lying isnt new, hes been doing since the 80s.

   For Biden we were told for the last 4 years hes fit competent and the best bet to win in 2024. What a lot of Americans saw on the debate stage was not what we were told and are having doubts.

3. bc republicans will vote for him regardless of what he does

   democrats on the other hand has some standards for their candidates

4. People keep writing this, but they have to know it’s a rhetorical trick. They can’t possibly fail to understand that people are focused on Biden’s weakness because they’re terrified of Trump’s evil. Once Democrats are truly convinced that we have no choice but to run with Biden, we’ll shut up about Biden’s flaws. Seems to me that shift is in the process of happening this week.

5. Sure maybe the 1,000,000,001st attempt to erode Trump’s support through shame and critical thinking will work. Let’s just all pretend that approximately 45% of the American population are decent, thoughtful individuals.

6. “got tongue tied” is Olympic level gaslighting

7. Because Trump behaved exactly as expected ?

8. Why are these thread popping up once per day`? Look at the top comment in this thread. It should be stickied.

   The Trump voters DO NOT CARE.

   Dems CARE.

   Please no more of this.

9. Because the world needs one to beat the other. Not the other way around.

10. Because the people who care about Trump lying aren’t going to vote for him anyway. The debate was a big win for option three, the people who are willing to not vote at all.

11. Because Trump performs to expectations. We expected him to be insane and full of shit. Biden was the one who didn’t perform to expectations.

12. Trump lying was priced in. This was incontrovertible evidence of the president being in throes of significant cognitive decline.

    Anyone who paid attention knew that Biden had lost several steps but the debate meltdown ensured the Dem establishment could no longer gaslight the public about his mental state.

13. I’ve seen 20 different posts about articles making this same point. It’s a stupid question with an obvious answer: there’s no point continuing to complain about Trump because the people who need to have their minds changed aren’t listening.

14. Biden didn’t get tongue tied. He clearly was having trouble gathering his thoughts. He is likely starting to have sundowners. I am very concerned by his cognitive decline.

    I will absolutely be voting for him, and hopefully he will resign shortly after the election.

15. Like Jon Stewart said; everyone expected Trump to lie and be an asshole, but nobody even feared that Biden would do so badly and be so frail.

16. Biden came across as having cognitive issues. Not about policy it was about he can’t process information and gets lost. That can’t be fixed and overshadowed all else. Almost everyone has seen dementia in a relative and related to it. You can’t unsee or fix what the public realized about Biden. He ain’t all there mentally and it won’t get better. Scary.

17. We’ve been talking about Trump’s lies for 8 years. Only his cult doesn’t know he’s a liar and most of them are just pretending.

18. Because the world has focused on Trump for the past 10 years. It’s some one else’s turn.

19. Calling out and having punchy one liners against Trump should be the easiest thing in the world.

    Why does Trump have the quick populist rhetoric as if he has a monopoly on it while Biden mumbles stats?

20. “Tongue tied” ohh come on, jack

21. It is a matter of expectations. A lot of us that are really disappointed in Biden are people who weren’t going to vote for trump no matter what. We expected some competency, coherency, and normalcy. We didn’t expect Biden to come to the debate and be hoarse, soft spoken, almost completely incomprehensible, acting confused and just bewildered. If you compare Biden’s debate performance in 2020 to 2024, it’s a huge drastic drop off. That is why it’s a huge talking point. it confirms our worst fears that he is senile and not up to task to being a president for second term. I already knew trump was a bombastic racist liar. I expected trump to lie his ass off and not answer any of the questions at all.

22. Cuz everyone knew Trump was going to lie. Biden’s performance was not expected.

23. Tongue tied? Really?

24. Because Democrats care about what happens to their country, and Republicans care about themselves.

25. Because people want Trump to lose, and they understand that the election will be decided by a small sliver of people in a few states who are not policy-oriented people (if they were, they wouldn’t be swing voters or reluctant voters). And as a result, they understand that Biden appearing to be sunsetting makes it a certainty that Trump would beat him. Lastly, they understand that Trump is in fact very beatable, and therefore there is a good chance that a replacement would do so, and there is still time and a process (complex though it may be) to replace Biden.

26. “Got tongue tied” is not what happened to Biden lmao

27. Why are people focusing on Biden? Because polling has him tied with this awful opponent and lots of people (and not enough to win outright) desperately want to prevent Trump from winning.

28. Because everyone knew Trump was a lying moron? Joe Biden is basically the definition of a Statesman. He’s devoted his life to public service and we expect him to do what’s right for the country. So all of the sudden he seems a bit doddering, is bragging about his golf handicap and he seems more interested in his personal legacy than doing what’s right for the Democratic Party and the citizens of the country. That’s news. Trump saying dumb shit like, “we had the cleanest water in the history of America,” is simply the kind of head-scratching dumbassery we expect from Trump.

29. Because no one expected Trump to be honest, so he behaved as expected. Whereas many people were expecting Biden to disprove the theory he’s an addled octogenarian, so his failure to do so is more noteworthy.

30. Because of YOU

31. I said it before this debate and I will say for it the next debate – Biden should act like Trump isn’t even there. Just answer the questions put to him and ignore and not respond to anything Trump says. As long as he does not respond to what Trump says, Trump’s attack style won’t work.

32. Tongue tied is putting it mildly to the point of propaganda.

    No one is surprised Trump lied. It’s what he does.

33. We’re all so fucking sick of this bullshit disingenuous point.

    It’s been obvious forever what kind of person Trump is and that his supporters are essentially a lost cause. He was not lying when he said he could literally shoot a man on 5th avenue and not lose a vote. It’s proven at this point. The only thing left to focus on is Biden’s electability.

34. Democrats are really annoying they are the reason no one wants to vote anymore.

    Trump did what he always does. But Biden is clearly not capable of doing much of anything without assistance. Yet they keep trying to shift the narrative instead of facing the truth. I for one won’t be voting

35. I’m positive that Trump’s constant lies are partially what fucked Biden up (partially) – he’s got to focus on what Trump is saying in case anything he says has to be directly rebutted, but it’s all off-topic nonsense.

36. One of them is the leader of the free world. All the world leaders were watching.

37. All Biden has to do is go to the press room and take questions for an hour. He can do this anytime. He chooses not to.

38. Why would the world discuss that Trump did the same thing he’s done all his life?

39. This framing is constantly posted and is quite interesting but false. It shouldn’t be “biden got tongue tied, and trump lied. It should be “biden got tongue tied and lied and trump just lied. Acting like everything biden said was the absolute truth is ridiculous.

40. Because the media is desperate for Trump to win. Hell, Democrats seem to be trying to lose at this point. Why would Biden not be holding a press conference going over the lies that Trump spewed in the debate as well as his recent Epstein shit? Because they don’t care to win.

41. We expected Trump to lie. We expected Biden to be able to articulate his point clearly. One expectation was met. One was not.

42. If Biden is incapacitated for some reason, the Vice President and the Cabinet are all calm, sane people who would steer the ship of state.

    If Trump is incapacitated for some reason, his minions are just as crazy and evil as he is.

43. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The NYT are all owned by major Trump supporters.  

44. Because the Dems still have an opportunity to improve our chances to beat Trump.

    I’ll 100% support Biden, but I’d 100% support Harris, too. And, after the debate, there is a reasonable argument to be made that Harris would be able to make a better case that she is the person to represent The People for the next four years.

    Biden did GREAT in his first term. And the path his administration laid over the past four years is worthy of praise. But, we are not a cult of personality…we are supporting the ideas of the Democratic Party.

45. Yep. Trump isn’t as mentally competent as we all think. People forget Biden is a stutterer. He does have trouble sometimes with speech. That doesn’t mean he’s not capable.

46. This is such an easy answer. It’s because we hold President Biden to a standard. trump is a convicted felon, fraudster, organized an insurrection and really never makes any sense when he speaks. The public are so used to this human filth doing poorly it’s just accepted at this point.

47. Propaganda campaigns from team Trump and Russian botnets. Theyre all over reddit right now. Dont believe the bullshit, call it out.

48. Biden fully glitched out. But Trump was also a wreck, clearly unable to focus on any subject, rambling and making up shit as he went along – stringing a word salad of lies and incomprehensible bullshit even worse than Biden’s glitch except he annunciated his verbal diarrhea and biden stuttered badly. I can forgive the look on Biden’s face early on as that look is similar to the one most people make when they’re forced to listen to trump’s bullshit.

    Interestingly, Biden has been out and very active lately. Trump has been hiding out ever since the Epstein document release.