Likely not before April 2028 unless it goes under before then and has to be nationalised instead of bailed out.
It was nationalised in 2021 and is being operated by a DfT appointed OLR until 2027. I imagine it would then come under TfL if Labour follow through with their promise
I just want new trains for Southeastern…..apart from
The handful of “City Beam” they’re just knackered
and what do we call the lines?
Please.. a train from South east to east Croydon.. please.
That might need to be fully considered as Southeastern operate services which run to the South coast and through parts of the home counties which are outside of the purview of the Mayor of London.
The government could make Southeastern a new company (call it the London and Southeastern Railway to be consistent with reviving old names such as London North Eastern Railway which is publically owned). Strip out the metro and suburban routes which serve outer London and parts of Kent , Sussex and Surrey and give those to TfL and let the new company run the mainline and branch services such as the Medway Valley Line.
Although I do support him I fail to see why Sadiq Khan should have control over train services which run to Tunbridge Wells , Canterbury , Margate , Ramsgate , Dover , St Leonards and numerous other places which are not in Greater London.
The people living in those areas do not vote for the Mayor of London and he is not accountable to them.
Let’s do the job properly and make ALL the services within the M25 LO and really stick it to all those “London gets too much of everything!” Crybabies. And Chris Fucking Greyling.
Come one Siddiq, you know you want to. Imagine the froth Susan Hall will get into on TV next time they need a moron to say something ridiculous.
It wouldn’t make sense for all of SE to become LO – the HS1 services and things like the Dover longer distance routes aren’t London services
But it does seem like it would make sense to take *some* of the very metro-like suburban services and bring them under the TfL umbrella. Things like the SWR services that would become part of CrossRail 2 if it ever gets resumed, for example, and the “Metro” SE services on the Hayes, Chatham, Sidcup, and Bexleyheath routes
And it baffles me that Thameslink isn’t already part of TfL, it’s basically Crossrail 0
At which point the rest of the 3rd rail network could become a new NSE region under GBR, providing regional and intercity-ish services
South Western Railways franchise expires in May 2025. Wouldn’t that be a good candidate? They have a lot of suburban routes in London.
Need to make all the commuter towns London Zones and Oyster.
Why do I have to pay a grand a month for the train when someone getting on the same train a few stops later pays a fraction of that.
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Likely not before April 2028 unless it goes under before then and has to be nationalised instead of bailed out.
It was nationalised in 2021 and is being operated by a DfT appointed OLR until 2027. I imagine it would then come under TfL if Labour follow through with their promise
I just want new trains for Southeastern…..apart from
The handful of “City Beam” they’re just knackered
and what do we call the lines?
Please.. a train from South east to east Croydon.. please.
That might need to be fully considered as Southeastern operate services which run to the South coast and through parts of the home counties which are outside of the purview of the Mayor of London.
The government could make Southeastern a new company (call it the London and Southeastern Railway to be consistent with reviving old names such as London North Eastern Railway which is publically owned). Strip out the metro and suburban routes which serve outer London and parts of Kent , Sussex and Surrey and give those to TfL and let the new company run the mainline and branch services such as the Medway Valley Line.
Although I do support him I fail to see why Sadiq Khan should have control over train services which run to Tunbridge Wells , Canterbury , Margate , Ramsgate , Dover , St Leonards and numerous other places which are not in Greater London.
The people living in those areas do not vote for the Mayor of London and he is not accountable to them.
Let’s do the job properly and make ALL the services within the M25 LO and really stick it to all those “London gets too much of everything!” Crybabies. And Chris Fucking Greyling.
Come one Siddiq, you know you want to. Imagine the froth Susan Hall will get into on TV next time they need a moron to say something ridiculous.
It wouldn’t make sense for all of SE to become LO – the HS1 services and things like the Dover longer distance routes aren’t London services
But it does seem like it would make sense to take *some* of the very metro-like suburban services and bring them under the TfL umbrella. Things like the SWR services that would become part of CrossRail 2 if it ever gets resumed, for example, and the “Metro” SE services on the Hayes, Chatham, Sidcup, and Bexleyheath routes
And it baffles me that Thameslink isn’t already part of TfL, it’s basically Crossrail 0
At which point the rest of the 3rd rail network could become a new NSE region under GBR, providing regional and intercity-ish services
South Western Railways franchise expires in May 2025. Wouldn’t that be a good candidate? They have a lot of suburban routes in London.
Need to make all the commuter towns London Zones and Oyster.
Why do I have to pay a grand a month for the train when someone getting on the same train a few stops later pays a fraction of that.