‘Lessons to be learned from France’: PBP renews calls for left alliance ahead of general election
by badger-biscuits
‘Lessons to be learned from France’: PBP renews calls for left alliance ahead of general election
by badger-biscuits
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The left in France had to band together to stop the rise of the far right. There is no such political danger here. PBP are too toxic for many of the left parties.
His over arching point isn’t wrong….macron gave years rolling out anti-muslim laws and awful rethoric (justified or not depends upon ones POV),while making ordinary folks lives worse
The far right rocked up,with same or worse rethoric and offered to make people’s lives better….kinda obvious who was going to get voted for then,give people something to vote for Vs against and they’ll come out for you
Be interesting to see how France gets that particular rabbit back in the hat now,I’d love to see the bullshit centrism,which drove the bank bailouts across Europe evicerated and made suffer for making peoples lives worse
As always, we should be more like the French.
>The Green Party and the Social Democrats have both said they have no interest in an alliance ahead of the elections.
They see PBP the same way the rest of us do… no interest.
They’ve a very different voting system in France, so I don’t think there are any lessons to learn from it at all.
In a system where there’s a two-stage election like France, the left party with the less votes standing aside for the final vote and asking their voters to vote for the left party with the most votes to beat the fascists is a strong strategy. It’s got a definite reason to do it, it’s got a definite advantage to doing it.
In our system there’s no need to do this because if the voter wants they can list all the left parties in the order they prefer them and the preferences of the parties themselves will do very little to enourage or dissuade this.
Effectively, PBP are asking for the same thing they already wanted but pretending the French election is relevant to it so that they can pitch it again.
PBP are not a serious party. They basically believe that the middle class shouldn’t pay any tax
Are french left parties also putin apologists like PBP?
Other parties would lose votes going into an alliance with PBP.
Other parties would lose votes going into an alliance with PBP.
Is he not afraid that if they get into government the Army and Gardai will violently seize power……. Anyone who votes for these shower after that needs their head checked.
I saw Paul Murphy on a tv show on Sunday claim that Bernie Saunders voters voted for Trump at the last US presidential election over Biden, despite Saunders supporting Biden. No evidence or facts will change his beliefs at all. He has also split from every group he has joined. Some of family are proud trade unionists and they hate this guy. They prefer Michael Martin to this guy and all of them voted Labour. Nothing would entice them to vote PBP.
“The need for a left alliance” has been a PBP refrain for years, but they don’t seem to show any interest in making the kind of compromises that would make agreeing a common minimum programme with other parties on the left possible.
A previous effort in the early 2010s collapsed in short order,and that was with other fairly far-left parties, not the likes of the SDs, Labour or the Greens.
The message is: To be far right is ok (including economically i.e. NeoLiberal’s), so long as you’re against Putin.
The ~~non-NeoLiberal-left~~ ‘far left’ are the most dangerous, because they are ~~anti-war/on-the-left~~ ‘Pro-Putin’.
People in our country are disenfranchised, just as people in mainland Europe are also.
If we don’t learn from what is happening in Britain or in Germany, France, Poland, etc.
We are doomed to make the same mistakes.
The more our politicians refuse to listen or to act upon the real issues facing these people in our society, the more those same people can be exploited by bad faith actors.
> Oppose all deportations – treat refugees and asylum seekers with dignity and respect
Integrate Migrants – Give them Voting Rights
They essentially want open borders. The far left is not the answer.
They want a united left alliance but will scoff at anyone who isn’t “left enough” for them.
So it’s all just PR.