Instead could we crack down on causes rather than the outcome?
>People were stealing “absolutely anything” including “tins of spam, tins of corned beef, all the fresh meat”, Ms Whitehead told BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme.
>She said she believed “organised” criminal gangs, rather than individuals struggling with the cost of living, were behind the thefts in her shop.
Tins of Spam going for big money on the black market.
I’m imagining Tony Soprano stood in front of a big truck being asked;
“What’s in their Tone? 50 inch TV’s? iphones? Bottles of premium whiskey?”
“Nah Silvio. Something even better… Corned beef”
So we have no prison space or capacity in probation, and the government wants to do a tough on crime bill? I’m not even raising ieological objections to this, it’s just unworkable.
It’s a serious problem that needs addressing but I doubt there will be any meaningful change. I’d like to be wrong though.
What will the king announce? Will supermarkets get knights to stand guard? Will Sir Andy of house lidl slay the foul cheese bandits?
It depends what people are shoplifting anyway . Like if you’re stealing electronics or shitloads of meat to sell, I hope you get caught.
If you are stealing a pack of nappies or some tampons or beans and bread , then I saw fuck all mate.
Unless we heavily invest in more prisons and more police any crackdown will be pointless.
As a shop worker, I would welcome this.
In recent years the job has become an increasing ballache, not just ridiculous amounts of shoplifters….but increasingly violent ones, and no it’s not old aunty may forgetting to pay for a Turkish delight, it’s the same people swooping in with freezer bags or duffel bags and fucking rinsing us.
Add onto that the massive increases in verbal and physical assault on shop workers and the job is hard to want to hang onto.
It’s not a nice job and tbh it should be, but there’s just so much exposure to crime.
Saw a women stealing baby formula in Asda in December last year and it made me upset that someone would have to resort to that more than angry at her for stealing.
The irony won’t be lost that a man worth more than £20bn is going to be telling those who are desperate enough to steal that they shouldn’t be doing it whilst he’s bilnged to the tits in gold and walking around with 20 staff attending to his every need.
This is a really good idea, let’s divert all the police time and energy into shoplifting.
Then once they are have arrested every shoplifter and they get sent to court they can all get suspended sentences and a fine, which will definitely stop future offending.
Inb4 people acting like these thieves are poor, unfortunate souls in a dire need of feeding their googolplex of children.
Yawn.
Psst… Red Tories: Maybe tackling poverty and under-employment would fix this?
Is he going to announce a £33m budget increase for my local police force too?
Labour have let themselves become defined by the media, one assumes.
There’s no way that King Charles is going to talk about shoplifting’. What he may talk about is the breakdown of society due to real poverty and the ongoing struggle to maintain a decent standard of living for hard working people. 20 years of wage stagnation while the super rich have got wealthier. The imagined social contract is broken. The ingrained belief that hard working people in the U.K. are just ‘temporary financially struggling’ has been realised too, this is the norm and there is no way out. You can’t expect people to invest in a future that doesn’t include them.
Shoplifting is a symptom of wider issues as we all know.
So a keep of the grass type sign then.
You are either a thief and will ignore it, or not a thief so doesn’t apply.
having been served another short notice citation today for the fourth time for an habitual shoplifter who knows if she turns up she will go to jail, how many no shows till its dropped? its a sentence on witnesses, doubt i will give another statement to police because of this
Oh yeh sure, we’ll stop those thieves with all of those police officers we’ve gone. And then, we’ll send them to prison with all of those empty prisons cells we’ve got.
Oooh, more slaps on the wrists?
We already know they won’t go to jail, there aren’t any spaces, and those that are there need to be kept free for proper violent offenders and rapists and the like.
Genuinely not sure what they actually plan to crack down on?
Cutting benefits? That’s not going to disincentivise shoplifting, is it?
How about his family share some of the wealth to those who are desperate enough to shoplift to feed family’s ?
Something weird about an insanely rich man telling poor people to stop stealing to feed themselves.
The king has absolutely no clue what poverty feels like, the guy might as well be a fucking alien he is so removed from real life in this country.
Was in ASDA yesterday, the security guard was outside watering the plants and someone bolted out of the store with a basket full of shopping. It’s just too easy for them these days.
it’s good Charles has decided to cut down on his shoplifting
You have 3 different types of shoplifter.
The one that steals because they are struggling in life so don’t scan everything their goods at a self serve for example.
The one that does it because it’s in their nature, a chocolate bar or drink down the coat when no one is watching or round a corner.
The ones that do it because they made it their only option, and when they get banged up they come out and it’s all they want to do. Bags of meat, coffee etc.
The first two are what they are, but it’s the last one that’s the real blight on society.
Exactly how much shoplifting is there in the house of commons?
What kind of crackdown? They’ve already said there’s too many people going to prison.
Even in the posher parts of town it seems pretty consistent. Lots of crack heads just walking out of M&S with a giant handful of clothes on hangers. Every time I go to an Amazon Fresh store somebody seems to be busting out, from an obvious crack head with a basket full of of stuff to just an obvious contractor on his lunch break and didn’t feel like paying for a bottle of water he could clearly afford. Considering I’m hardly there and in the store for usually only 90 seconds give or take I can’t imagine the overall theft in these places.
crackdown? Where are they gonna put all these shoplifters, i thought they were releasing prisoners early.
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Instead could we crack down on causes rather than the outcome?
>People were stealing “absolutely anything” including “tins of spam, tins of corned beef, all the fresh meat”, Ms Whitehead told BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme.
>She said she believed “organised” criminal gangs, rather than individuals struggling with the cost of living, were behind the thefts in her shop.
Tins of Spam going for big money on the black market.
I’m imagining Tony Soprano stood in front of a big truck being asked;
“What’s in their Tone? 50 inch TV’s? iphones? Bottles of premium whiskey?”
“Nah Silvio. Something even better… Corned beef”
So we have no prison space or capacity in probation, and the government wants to do a tough on crime bill? I’m not even raising ieological objections to this, it’s just unworkable.
It’s a serious problem that needs addressing but I doubt there will be any meaningful change. I’d like to be wrong though.
What will the king announce? Will supermarkets get knights to stand guard? Will Sir Andy of house lidl slay the foul cheese bandits?
It depends what people are shoplifting anyway . Like if you’re stealing electronics or shitloads of meat to sell, I hope you get caught.
If you are stealing a pack of nappies or some tampons or beans and bread , then I saw fuck all mate.
Unless we heavily invest in more prisons and more police any crackdown will be pointless.
As a shop worker, I would welcome this.
In recent years the job has become an increasing ballache, not just ridiculous amounts of shoplifters….but increasingly violent ones, and no it’s not old aunty may forgetting to pay for a Turkish delight, it’s the same people swooping in with freezer bags or duffel bags and fucking rinsing us.
Add onto that the massive increases in verbal and physical assault on shop workers and the job is hard to want to hang onto.
It’s not a nice job and tbh it should be, but there’s just so much exposure to crime.
Saw a women stealing baby formula in Asda in December last year and it made me upset that someone would have to resort to that more than angry at her for stealing.
The irony won’t be lost that a man worth more than £20bn is going to be telling those who are desperate enough to steal that they shouldn’t be doing it whilst he’s bilnged to the tits in gold and walking around with 20 staff attending to his every need.
This is a really good idea, let’s divert all the police time and energy into shoplifting.
Then once they are have arrested every shoplifter and they get sent to court they can all get suspended sentences and a fine, which will definitely stop future offending.
Inb4 people acting like these thieves are poor, unfortunate souls in a dire need of feeding their googolplex of children.
Yawn.
Psst… Red Tories: Maybe tackling poverty and under-employment would fix this?
Is he going to announce a £33m budget increase for my local police force too?
Labour have let themselves become defined by the media, one assumes.
There’s no way that King Charles is going to talk about shoplifting’. What he may talk about is the breakdown of society due to real poverty and the ongoing struggle to maintain a decent standard of living for hard working people. 20 years of wage stagnation while the super rich have got wealthier. The imagined social contract is broken. The ingrained belief that hard working people in the U.K. are just ‘temporary financially struggling’ has been realised too, this is the norm and there is no way out. You can’t expect people to invest in a future that doesn’t include them.
Shoplifting is a symptom of wider issues as we all know.
So a keep of the grass type sign then.
You are either a thief and will ignore it, or not a thief so doesn’t apply.
having been served another short notice citation today for the fourth time for an habitual shoplifter who knows if she turns up she will go to jail, how many no shows till its dropped? its a sentence on witnesses, doubt i will give another statement to police because of this
Oh yeh sure, we’ll stop those thieves with all of those police officers we’ve gone. And then, we’ll send them to prison with all of those empty prisons cells we’ve got.
Oooh, more slaps on the wrists?
We already know they won’t go to jail, there aren’t any spaces, and those that are there need to be kept free for proper violent offenders and rapists and the like.
Genuinely not sure what they actually plan to crack down on?
Cutting benefits? That’s not going to disincentivise shoplifting, is it?
How about his family share some of the wealth to those who are desperate enough to shoplift to feed family’s ?
Something weird about an insanely rich man telling poor people to stop stealing to feed themselves.
The king has absolutely no clue what poverty feels like, the guy might as well be a fucking alien he is so removed from real life in this country.
Was in ASDA yesterday, the security guard was outside watering the plants and someone bolted out of the store with a basket full of shopping. It’s just too easy for them these days.
it’s good Charles has decided to cut down on his shoplifting
You have 3 different types of shoplifter.
The one that steals because they are struggling in life so don’t scan everything their goods at a self serve for example.
The one that does it because it’s in their nature, a chocolate bar or drink down the coat when no one is watching or round a corner.
The ones that do it because they made it their only option, and when they get banged up they come out and it’s all they want to do. Bags of meat, coffee etc.
The first two are what they are, but it’s the last one that’s the real blight on society.
Exactly how much shoplifting is there in the house of commons?
What kind of crackdown? They’ve already said there’s too many people going to prison.
Even in the posher parts of town it seems pretty consistent. Lots of crack heads just walking out of M&S with a giant handful of clothes on hangers. Every time I go to an Amazon Fresh store somebody seems to be busting out, from an obvious crack head with a basket full of of stuff to just an obvious contractor on his lunch break and didn’t feel like paying for a bottle of water he could clearly afford. Considering I’m hardly there and in the store for usually only 90 seconds give or take I can’t imagine the overall theft in these places.
crackdown? Where are they gonna put all these shoplifters, i thought they were releasing prisoners early.