Die in den USA hergestellten Abrams sind besser als die besten Panzer Russlands im Krieg, sagt ein ukrainischer Kommandant, und das bei weitem nicht.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-abrams-better-than-russias-best-tanks-in-war-commander-2024-7

18 comments

  1. I can only assume that Russia’s tanks are held together by the hopes and dreams of the crew driving them.

  2. Aren’t Russian tanks still having the “carousel-ing turret pop off issue?”

  3. It’s correct. The US needs to send more of these to Ukraine.

  4. While the comment is most likely true there is a few things to consider:
    a) of course Ukraine will praise whatever gear they are gifted. They want more, they will take anything, and calling the stuff that comes in shit would probably mean no more supply of that type of gear.
    b) we haven’t seen the full capability yet. Due to the low numbers and the propaganda value that Russia draws out of each Abrams destroyed or captured, the Ukrainians are probably very careful in their use of this tank.
    c) “better” is a very relative term. The Abrams uses large amounts of fuel and due to its weight has limits in muddy terrain and areas with weak bridges. The armor, the gun, the sights, the battle management systems are probably decades better than what the Russians have at the moment (hard to say, as these Abrams aren’t the same level as the ones the US currently uses, and hard to say what the Russians have left on their better gear) So which one is “better” depends on the use case, the conditions, the circumstances.

    I for one am really looking forward to read the lessons learned in the years after the conflict has been (hopefully soon) resolved. This is the first modern conflict between two states on an equal and relatively high technological level probably since the first Gulf war (which is Iraq vs. Iran in the eighties, not to be mixed up with the second Gulf war with the US invasion in the early 90ies)
    The amount of new tactics, new technologies that will come out of this are countless. And in some way what happens in Ukraine also determines the fate of Taiwan. (China is watching and will draw their own conclusions if a war under these circumstances is worth it)
    So keep an open mind, stay curious, and ALWAYS SUPPORT UKRAINE!

  7. And Russia still failed to deploy their “best” tank, Armata. Come to think about it, Russia can’t afford it to make mass production.

  8. Is it not the case that basically tanks in general have been less effective in Ukraine because no side has air superiority and AT drones are ubiquitous. I just don’t think it’s a conflict that’s going to be won by tanks.

  9. Expect we didn’t see any tank be it leopard, abrams, challenger, T series tanks do good in this war simply because drones can easily strike at the weakest part of it and easily disable it. There were also articles how ukrainian soldiers say abram tanks are “not sufficient”.

    If this war seen much more tank vs tank battles we could make some conclusions, now all tanks burn by cheap drones. Also say what you want about russian technology but Lancet drones proved quite good and they shred all tanks be it abrams, leopards, challengers or T series tanks.

  10. That was kind of obvious even before this war. America’s equipment was likely made specifically to beat Russian equipment.

  13. Not sure why all the love for autoloaders. Lower profile maybe? Having that extra crew is a plus. Division of labor for load out, maintenance, expedient casualty replacement in a fight.

  15. We saw this already in 91. Night vision helps as well

  18. The whole strategy of Russia is and was to just have an overwhelming amount of stuff. Not good stuff, not great stuff, just stuff.

    I think they lost more tanks in Ukraine than the US has total Abrams (3k to 2,6k). And it still seems they don’t really care about losses at all and just keep throwing more stuff at problems.

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