Tackling misogyny in UK schools could take up to 20 years, says Jess Phillips

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1. Tateism or whatever we’re calling it is extremely disturbing about the effects it might have on an entire generation of boys and even girls.

   But god damn is it sad that Jess Philips is the one in charge of combating this.

2. Unless I missed something the article has little mention of schools outside of the opening paragraph and a single reference to ‘prevention education’, and the rest of the article is about the role of the police in protecting victims of domestic violence, and not what the government is planning to do to tackle misogyny within the schooling system, or even the extent of that specific issue.

   I clicked and read it because I was curious about the extent of misogyny within schools and among young people and how the government wanted to tackle it. I came out of it none the wiser on that question – ‘prevention education’ doesn’t elucidate much by itself.

   Not a great article, if I am being honest. It would be better had the headline been about domestic violence against women, as that is the primary subject matter of the article.

3. The educational establishment has demonised masculine behaviour for decades. Young men have been deprived of healthy role models which has left the gate wide open for warped dickheads like Tate.

   This is a monster they created with their short sighted, hysterical opinions. I see they’re determined to not learn from their mistakes as they’ve assigned Jess Phillips to the problem. Nice one lads, more of the same yeah?

   There was a similar story recently where the teachers had reached a similar conclusion to me. The role model they reached for? Was it…Shackleton? Was it… Arthur Wellesley? No, it was Marcus Rashford. A literal football player. These people are passionately moronic.

   Edit: I know Reddit isn’t exactly a bastion of knowledge but some of you do (at least claim) to think that Marcus Rashford is comparable with Duke Wellington and Shackleton. I know you’re just trolling but still, fucking Christ on a bike, lads.

4. Perhaps schools could do more to ensure equal outcomes for boys and girls in Primary education.

5. I have a sample of one 15 year old in my extended family and he at least kind of engages with loose misogyny and how can you put it a kind of social conservatism semi-ironically as a kind of rebellion.

   I think as much as we don’t have to engage with anti-woke bollocks, the education system in this country is pretty “right on” these days and if your teacher is constantly telling you to treat each other kindness and you’re a teenage boy, well…

   I don’t have a solution unfortunately!

6. She is blind to the source of the problem. In fact she chooses to be intentionally ignorant of it. So she could be given 20 million years, she’d still never fix it.

7. The article is really strange. It’s headline is about misogyny in UK schools, but it doesn’t actually talk about any misogyny in schools whatsoever, instead focusing on the still very important and serious issues of domestic violence and the specifically tragic case of Raneem Oudeh and the law that’s being proposed in response.

   I have a son in school at the moment and honestly what comes out of him and his friends is mostly a kind of undifferentiated stream of meme content, like skibidi toilet, Among Us, Minecraft and just stupid things like that. The closest he gets to “misogyny” is the phrase “what the sigma” he seems to have picked up from somewhere which if you’re reaching is loosely connected to Tate’s bullshit. But I can guarantee that my son has no idea about that and is just repeating a phrase he thinks is funny.

   Schools are already excessively female dominated in terms of staffing and management (excepting the top levels I’m sure). They also already teach heavily about dignity and respect for others and do way way more than I ever heard or saw when I was at school. So I’m not sure exactly why it’s necessary to connect schoolchildren with domestic violence in this way. It promotes a negative and hostile viewpoint of men as lurking potential abusers who beat their partners wholesale.

   I don’t disagree with the approach that handling this will require teaching children right, but I don’t think it’s fair to just draw a direct parallel between kids and abusers in this way.

8. What about misandry, Jess? Including your behaviour?

9. People seem to blame Tate like the boogeyman of the internet, but we all should be humble enough to learn lessons from anyone, even those we may not like. Results matter and Tate is popular for a reason. He’s a salesman. Tap into some of those effective techniques and utilise them in a way which develops responsible men who feel valued, respected and have a place in society.

10. Lack of role models. Everyone is driven by money, greed and corruption. The men raising kids have their own issues and it’s what their kid sees. A fairer society would lead to more well rounded kids when their parents don’t have a chip on their shoulder.

11. From what I’ve gleaned from the article and comments is that absolutely nothing will change.

12. Don’t girls do better than boys on pretty much every measure of the state school system?

13. Give them something long term to look forward to: affordable housing, decent job market, fair wages etc

    Don’t espouse a culture of anti masculinity.

    Watch as Tate fades away into the darkness of the jail cell he’ll end up in.

14. Jess Phillips talking about misogyny is pure hypocrisy when she’s a misandrist.

    When increasing male suicides and poor mental health was brought up in the Commons, she openly mocked men’s issues and has called men “laughable” She also refused to discuss men’s rights until 50% of MPs were female.

    She will actively ignore the problems faced by male students and is not the right person for this job.

15. White working class boys are the most under privileged group in the entire country, and in order to stop them turning to people like Andrew Tate, we need to help them not blame them. So it will only get worse under Jess Phillips.

16. How does someone like Tate get so much influence over boys. Where the hell are their actual father figures in all of this in terms of influencing their morals and views of women. Why are children not valuing their fathers influence more or are fathers as shit?

    Genuinely asking

17. Has she factored in the growth of the British-Asian / Islamic population? That’s going to set us back even further in terms of how women are viewed by society.

18. Staffing and management across education is shockingly female, when more and more classrooms and many students lack positive male role models, I can certainly see why

19. Fuck me- the comments here.

    People lack nuance…and we wonder why the discourse is falling apart

    I don’t think Jess Phillips is a Misandrist or has had a negative impact on the life of men in the U.K…she like many might show some bias in her weighing up of the levels of problems certain groups face

    I also don’t think that society is set up to purposfully hurt men or women—-but many of our social norms (including gender norms) and institutions can have this impact on people (same as capitalism, communism etc…all societal structures have a negative impact on different groups)

    Everyone is a selfserving double standard where in some situations we say it’s societies problems and in others not—oh young males are becoming more misogynistic ‘well it’s because of the way society treats them’, Muslims are becoming more hardline- we don’t ask what we’ve done as a society to cause that? Etc

    Many of the issues that males aren’t going through (declining mental health, social isolation, feeling lack of purpose) is true for both sexes and are an issue caused by the currently economic climate mixed with social media etc and it’s just showing in men and women in different ways

    Andrew Tate isn’t attracting attention from young men because he’s found some great gaping hole in society…it’s because he’s a dick who people find funny. He’s getting them with bragging, ‘Hot takes’ and ‘humour’. Teenagers especially boys have always been into this stuff, edgy humour, un PC jokes, bragging about how many girls they’ve had (even when they’re virgins)

    Men and women being at each others throats about who has it worse does nothing but make the situation worse for all

20. Another post mentioning misogyny, and most of the comments are talking about men. Are people just not interested in hearing from women what it’s like being subjected to this? You really couldn’t make it up.

21. We need a total rebalancing.

    Men represent literally all of the worse performing categories into the country, be it suicides, poor educational attainment, sticking around to be dads, incarceration, homelessness, drug and alcohol addiction to name but a few.

    And they’re orders of magnitude above women in terms of representation in these groups. Men who aren’t in these groups know Men they love who are, and yet on top of it all men are demonised in the media without any application of root-cause analysis.

    At the same time Men put their lives on the line in armed forces, police, fire, manual labour jobs as well, at rates of 5-10:1 women and have lower life expectancy on top.

    But because the 1% of the 1% are all men, it’s a patriarchy.

    The biggest lie feminism and progressives sell: the patriarchy. It’s got nothing to do with gender, it’s just old money and new money combining to fuck over the poor and middle classes. Just because historically that was male is irrelevant, the same percentage of insanely rich women vote to fuck over the rest of us as men.

22. Isn’t she the bitch who laughed at male suicide when she was presented with stats?

23. I know this is Reddit. And I know you’re only going to hear opinions here from people strong enough to have them and who aren’t afraid to post them because this is anonymous.

    But it really does seem like the average person, not just man, is getting tired of the solution offered against misogyny is brow beating men. I would argue if you were being unbiased, you’d see this strategy hasn’t worked and instead has pushed people into the arms of Andrew tate.

    I think it’s time to try something new. Maybe look at empowering men and instead of expecting them to just listen, invite them to the conversation.

24. I’m sure the answer is to demonise young men even more and remove more support and opportunities from them.

    What could possibly go wrong?

25. Tackling Jess’s own brand of sexism will take even longer.

26. Start with regulating social media for under 16s. When I was younger, all media was ages rated. Nowadays, kids have access to all sorts of nonsense as long as they have a phone

27. Getting kind of sick of the ‘lack of role models’ argument as if there’s a one-man-fits-all fix here.

    The real way to raise balanced young men is to have well balanced parents do it. We can’t rely on well known faces doing it as more often than not they reveal themselves to be problematic.

    Teachers are there to teach. Parents should be raising the next generation.

28. Please give funding! Cha-ching!

    I’m sure the “programs” implemented are going to help young men gain a sense of responsibility and respect, and not denigrate them for being men and drive them into the arms of idiots like Andrew Tate or anything.

29. Translated: “Fully emasculating men will take upto 20 years”.

    And before you downvoted me Google her response to male issues.

30. Schools are extremely female centric places. The teachers are majority female, girls outperform boys. If anything, it is the boys who need more support. This point of view is always missed out, which in turn helps drive boys more towards people who actually speak to them.

31. Coming from Labour’s top man hater who has no clue how to resolve issues like this as she does not care for young men or men at all..