Alors bon, j’insiste lourdement et je remets mon dernier commentaire que personne n’a voulu entendre:
Jeffrey Kripal, professeur de théologie comparée, affirme qu’un large faisceau d’indices peut laisser penser que Jésus était homosexuel. Voir: « On the Fiction of a Straight Jesus », dans son livre « Secret Body ». Un court extrait ici, mais vous avez le texte complet en lien ensuite :
« I do not wish to argue that Jesus was “gay” in the sense we speak of and understand that identity today. But neither can I resist the idea that the psychological roots of Jesus’s intentional subversion of much Jewish piety, his apocalyptic asceticism, and his radical teachings on love are all fundamentally related to his marginalized and lawfully condemned sexuality (or sexualities).
The latter helps explain, indeed requires, the former breaking of the religious law. In short, Jesus’s love must obviate the law because Jesus’s love could not be fit into the law. _The issue of homosexuality, then, is not some tangential issue or modern perversion within American Christianity. It shines at the very center as the generative force of Christian male sanctity and love and goes back to the god-man himself._
And little is resolved by turning to the real historical founder of Christianity, the apostle Paul, that Jewish mystic of the Christ who never met the historical Jesus; who was not married either; who bore no children; who preferred his followers remain virgins (the world, after all, was ending); who wanted everyone, men and women alike, “married” to a male god (if that is not queer nothing is); and who confessed to a famous if never defined “thorn in the flesh” over which he appears to have struggled his entire life.
As best I can tell, much of the New Testament and later Christian orthodoxy—literally, the “straight-teaching”—was founded on the lives and loves of a homoerotic divine man and a sexually conflicted apostle, both of whom, if tradition is correct, met terribly violent ends for their transgressive spiritual desires. Ironically, there is nothing straight at all about Christian “straight teaching” or ortho-doxy.
This is why the churches are splitting today over same-sex marriages, openly gay clergy, and sexual justice issues. They are struggling, hard, against their own deepest scriptural roots and most fundamental, and most sacred, transgressions. They are setting up psychological and political defenses against their own original genius and power. »
>Jeffrey J. Kripal holds the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University, where he served as the Associate Dean of the School of Humanities (2019-2023), chaired the Department of Religion for eight years, and also helped create the GEM Program, a doctoral concentration in the study of Gnosticism, Esotericism, and Mysticism that is the largest program of its kind in the world
Pour l’anecdote, qui peut mettre en lumière l’origine de cette thèse, il a fait le séminaire, voulant entrer dans les ordres.
Quelques mois après son entrée, un doute l’assaille. Il demande à son camarade de chambrée si quelques-uns des séminaristes ne seraient pas homosexuels. La réponse de son collègue fut : « Mais enfin, tu est le seul hétéro ici. On t’aime bien mais on se demande vraiment tous ce que tu fais là. »
Ah le bon temps où on pouvait se moquer de toutes les religions tranquillement.
*Ce message s’autodétruira dans 3 secondes.*
Pré-Bolloré tout ça
Quand je pense que les gens s’indignent d’une reprise de la Cène alors que le véritable blasphème dans ces JO a été de faire chanter Aya Nakamura devant l’académie française /s
On est sûr que c’est la Cène (pour la cérémonie des jo) ? Parce que le côté païen, banquet des dieux avec Dionysos colle vachement mieux que le dernier repas de Jésus qui aurait pas beaucoup de logique dans ce tableau.
Ça me scie de voir ça parce que j’ai un contact de la famille de Villers dans mes réseaux sociaux qui justement s’offusquait du passage sur la Cène pendant la cérémonie
“A l’époque on savait rire de tout mais aujourd’hui oNPeUpURieNdir”
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Bah oui, les réseaux sociaux existaient pas.
Alors bon, j’insiste lourdement et je remets mon dernier commentaire que personne n’a voulu entendre:
Jeffrey Kripal, professeur de théologie comparée, affirme qu’un large faisceau d’indices peut laisser penser que Jésus était homosexuel. Voir: « On the Fiction of a Straight Jesus », dans son livre « Secret Body ». Un court extrait ici, mais vous avez le texte complet en lien ensuite :
« I do not wish to argue that Jesus was “gay” in the sense we speak of and understand that identity today. But neither can I resist the idea that the psychological roots of Jesus’s intentional subversion of much Jewish piety, his apocalyptic asceticism, and his radical teachings on love are all fundamentally related to his marginalized and lawfully condemned sexuality (or sexualities).
The latter helps explain, indeed requires, the former breaking of the religious law. In short, Jesus’s love must obviate the law because Jesus’s love could not be fit into the law. _The issue of homosexuality, then, is not some tangential issue or modern perversion within American Christianity. It shines at the very center as the generative force of Christian male sanctity and love and goes back to the god-man himself._
And little is resolved by turning to the real historical founder of Christianity, the apostle Paul, that Jewish mystic of the Christ who never met the historical Jesus; who was not married either; who bore no children; who preferred his followers remain virgins (the world, after all, was ending); who wanted everyone, men and women alike, “married” to a male god (if that is not queer nothing is); and who confessed to a famous if never defined “thorn in the flesh” over which he appears to have struggled his entire life.
As best I can tell, much of the New Testament and later Christian orthodoxy—literally, the “straight-teaching”—was founded on the lives and loves of a homoerotic divine man and a sexually conflicted apostle, both of whom, if tradition is correct, met terribly violent ends for their transgressive spiritual desires. Ironically, there is nothing straight at all about Christian “straight teaching” or ortho-doxy.
This is why the churches are splitting today over same-sex marriages, openly gay clergy, and sexual justice issues. They are struggling, hard, against their own deepest scriptural roots and most fundamental, and most sacred, transgressions. They are setting up psychological and political defenses against their own original genius and power. »
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d970ced861f4d6cb7b7067c85565ed87
>Jeffrey J. Kripal holds the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University, where he served as the Associate Dean of the School of Humanities (2019-2023), chaired the Department of Religion for eight years, and also helped create the GEM Program, a doctoral concentration in the study of Gnosticism, Esotericism, and Mysticism that is the largest program of its kind in the world
Pour l’anecdote, qui peut mettre en lumière l’origine de cette thèse, il a fait le séminaire, voulant entrer dans les ordres.
Quelques mois après son entrée, un doute l’assaille. Il demande à son camarade de chambrée si quelques-uns des séminaristes ne seraient pas homosexuels. La réponse de son collègue fut : « Mais enfin, tu est le seul hétéro ici. On t’aime bien mais on se demande vraiment tous ce que tu fais là. »
Ah le bon temps où on pouvait se moquer de toutes les religions tranquillement.
*Ce message s’autodétruira dans 3 secondes.*
Pré-Bolloré tout ça
Quand je pense que les gens s’indignent d’une reprise de la Cène alors que le véritable blasphème dans ces JO a été de faire chanter Aya Nakamura devant l’académie française /s
On est sûr que c’est la Cène (pour la cérémonie des jo) ? Parce que le côté païen, banquet des dieux avec Dionysos colle vachement mieux que le dernier repas de Jésus qui aurait pas beaucoup de logique dans ce tableau.
Ça me scie de voir ça parce que j’ai un contact de la famille de Villers dans mes réseaux sociaux qui justement s’offusquait du passage sur la Cène pendant la cérémonie
“A l’époque on savait rire de tout mais aujourd’hui oNPeUpURieNdir”