If we can’t have a right to work from home the unemployed shouldn’t either.
So the guy their are talking to quit his job in the UK, took earlier retirement and moved to the back arse of nowhere. Bit of a neck on him to moan about having to go to town one day a week.
i mean whats the issue , sure people may argue its ‘inconvenient’ but is their an actual issue , if you definatly need money in the bank cant you put it in yourself?
>It was announced last month that people receiving Jobseeker’s Allowance will now have to collect it from a post office once again, following the recent easing of Covid-19 restrictions.
it was only done as a lat resort due to the pandemic , since the easing of Covid-19 restrictions their not a need to
Imagine the sense of entitlement you’d have to have to demand €203 a week of free money for the rest of your life, and then start sobbing when you have to get up off your arse once a week to collect it.
Free money and free houses and they still have the neck to complain
Having to leave your gaf once a week isnt inconvenient, and it would absolutely cut out huge amounts of fraud.
There is a a bizarre (but expected given this is Reddit) level of antipathy towards welfare recipients.
I have yet to see a valid reason as to why it should not be a relatively direct and easy process of transferring funds to an account, outside of a sort of spiteful mantra of having them ‘work for it’, so to speak.
Fraud, despite protestations to the contrary, is a negligible problem regarding total welfare spending too.
We should be PROUD of being able to help those who need support.
A few articles about a few bad eggs that exploit the system and all of a sudden, anyone on the dole should have to suffer just because the public want to punish them? Imagine giving help to someone in real life, but with the caveat that they have to jump through a load of performative hoops because of weird optics?!
Ask yourself the question; if the unemployed did all agree to go to the post office for the dole and to tip their caps to you in “thanks” when you see them in the street, would you then be happy about it?
If it wouldn’t change your attitude to the dole then you need to admit that your anger has nothing to do with this article. You just think “they” don’t deserve help.
Isn’t a part of the reason it was switched to bank payment that they didn’t want people handling cash during the pandemic? I know the main reason was to keep people home more often but I’m pretty sure that was part of the reason. Until masks and plastic shields in shops are a thing of the past the money should still be paid into a bank account. Honestly I don’t think they should bring it back at all but the Irish government will never be able to resist adding two middlemen to a painfully simple process.
I find this hard to believe. The PSO (public service obligation) for the post office network is to have a post office within 5km of people in the urban areas and 15km in rural areas. How is this guy 55km away from his nearest post office???
Funny how there’s more public anger at people on welfare payments than people who did fuck all time for the people who indebted this country for billions.
It really is a ridiculous and archaic process and does very little to effectively prevent fraud. Hell, even in the US I don’t know of any states that don’t pay out UI benefits via direct deposit; even the states that are the most hostile to those receiving benefits don’t make them show up in person to beg for their money on a weekly basis. There are other more efficient ways to implement fraud prevention, such as regular certification and work search requirements.
Haven’t been on the dole in years but it would be nice if they still paid directly into a bank account even if you have to drag your ass to the post office to sign a thing.
A cash payment shouldn’t be the default option. It’s 2022 like. Can’t remember the last time I actually seen a physical 50 euro note.
I don’t see the problem, it never stopped anyone before.
I don’t think welfare fraud is a big of a problem that people make it out to be, but fraud did increase dramatically due to pup.
Lot of people would change their tune if it was just called a universal basic income.
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Great. The post office will be full of pyjamas once again.
Is there even a way to give payments digitally and just have people scan a card in person or something? Shouldn’t we be trying to move to a cashless society?
When I was unemployed I asked why I had to go to the post office to collect the JSA and was told by the social welfare officer it was to ensure I wasn’t working or having a jolly on the side (several holidays a year etc). Her argument was they give you three days to collect before it’s returned and in this three days if someone can’t make it to a post office they investigate why. You get a two week break each year for a holiday if you want, but if you can’t go to a Post Office once a week during business hours you’d be checked to ensure you weren’t working. If you couldn’t attend for a genuine reason, you could nominate someone to collect for you or they would send you a government cheque to cover (this was in 2010 mind you so things have likely changed)
Having the post offices look after the payments is also keeping people employed, post offices are closing all over the country and older people with no bank accounts or no bank services near them often rely on the Post Office. It’s a way of keeping things in the community, something needed in rural Ireland. If people really can’t make a journey once a week for genuine reasons the Social is very helpful and will do what they can to ensure people are paid. But i don’t believe that there are people genuinely this far away from a single post office that once a week is going to break them. Can someone in rural Kerry or wherever really 100% confirm there’s so few post offices that someone would really have a 55km trip to get to one?
What’s insane is that jobpath still exists in 2022. The department of social welfare seem adamant on keeping jobpath for whatever reason. I can only presume so it makes their lives easier by saying it’s not our responsibility to help people find work. It’s a private for profit company that does that.
Does this mean some people who have very little money, who will be forced to travel to the post office, will now be expected to hold back some of that small amount of money each week to pay for the travel.
No strong feelings on it, but I met a few lads in South American once, doing a a round the world trip, drawing welfare (paid to their accounts). Not exactly available for work.
jaysus… isnt the post office clogged up enough?
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Dare the government to offer a living wage Job Guarantee (not forced, people can choose dole instead), and direct it into building houses (plus all necessary training) – if they think fraud is such a big concern.
They would never do this, because they want to maintain the threat of unemployment against workers, to keep bargaining power down – that’s why they are demonizing the unemployed like this, it’s all about showing workers how they’ll be treated.
Privacy goes out the window at our local post office. I do often queue waiting to post a parcel and can hear the girl counting out how much she gives to each person it’s really bad
At this stage of things we need a general income for all – if we all got what the unemployed are getting then there would be no hidden poverty
It’s shocking the amount of bitter cunts crying about people getting their dole paid into the bank. Imagine being that spiteful that you have to have a go at the people who have the least.
There’s a certain stigma attached to collecting the payment at the post office. Bank transfer eliminates that embarrassment making it even more comfortable to remain on welfare
Yea, rich greedy fucks are our problem, not people on Jobseekers. Put the money in their accounts. Life is hard enough.
I guess people without jobs don’t deserve convenience.
Ahh jaysus the dole and pension queue in the Carlow post office is so bad you’d be “dead on your feet” 😉
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It’s a great way to avoid fraud.
If we can’t have a right to work from home the unemployed shouldn’t either.
So the guy their are talking to quit his job in the UK, took earlier retirement and moved to the back arse of nowhere. Bit of a neck on him to moan about having to go to town one day a week.
i mean whats the issue , sure people may argue its ‘inconvenient’ but is their an actual issue , if you definatly need money in the bank cant you put it in yourself?
>It was announced last month that people receiving Jobseeker’s Allowance will now have to collect it from a post office once again, following the recent easing of Covid-19 restrictions.
it was only done as a lat resort due to the pandemic , since the easing of Covid-19 restrictions their not a need to
Imagine the sense of entitlement you’d have to have to demand €203 a week of free money for the rest of your life, and then start sobbing when you have to get up off your arse once a week to collect it.
Free money and free houses and they still have the neck to complain
Having to leave your gaf once a week isnt inconvenient, and it would absolutely cut out huge amounts of fraud.
There is a a bizarre (but expected given this is Reddit) level of antipathy towards welfare recipients.
I have yet to see a valid reason as to why it should not be a relatively direct and easy process of transferring funds to an account, outside of a sort of spiteful mantra of having them ‘work for it’, so to speak.
Fraud, despite protestations to the contrary, is a negligible problem regarding total welfare spending too.
We should be PROUD of being able to help those who need support.
A few articles about a few bad eggs that exploit the system and all of a sudden, anyone on the dole should have to suffer just because the public want to punish them? Imagine giving help to someone in real life, but with the caveat that they have to jump through a load of performative hoops because of weird optics?!
Ask yourself the question; if the unemployed did all agree to go to the post office for the dole and to tip their caps to you in “thanks” when you see them in the street, would you then be happy about it?
If it wouldn’t change your attitude to the dole then you need to admit that your anger has nothing to do with this article. You just think “they” don’t deserve help.
Isn’t a part of the reason it was switched to bank payment that they didn’t want people handling cash during the pandemic? I know the main reason was to keep people home more often but I’m pretty sure that was part of the reason. Until masks and plastic shields in shops are a thing of the past the money should still be paid into a bank account. Honestly I don’t think they should bring it back at all but the Irish government will never be able to resist adding two middlemen to a painfully simple process.
I find this hard to believe. The PSO (public service obligation) for the post office network is to have a post office within 5km of people in the urban areas and 15km in rural areas. How is this guy 55km away from his nearest post office???
Funny how there’s more public anger at people on welfare payments than people who did fuck all time for the people who indebted this country for billions.
It really is a ridiculous and archaic process and does very little to effectively prevent fraud. Hell, even in the US I don’t know of any states that don’t pay out UI benefits via direct deposit; even the states that are the most hostile to those receiving benefits don’t make them show up in person to beg for their money on a weekly basis. There are other more efficient ways to implement fraud prevention, such as regular certification and work search requirements.
Haven’t been on the dole in years but it would be nice if they still paid directly into a bank account even if you have to drag your ass to the post office to sign a thing.
A cash payment shouldn’t be the default option. It’s 2022 like. Can’t remember the last time I actually seen a physical 50 euro note.
I don’t see the problem, it never stopped anyone before.
I don’t think welfare fraud is a big of a problem that people make it out to be, but fraud did increase dramatically due to pup.
Lot of people would change their tune if it was just called a universal basic income.
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Great. The post office will be full of pyjamas once again.
Is there even a way to give payments digitally and just have people scan a card in person or something? Shouldn’t we be trying to move to a cashless society?
When I was unemployed I asked why I had to go to the post office to collect the JSA and was told by the social welfare officer it was to ensure I wasn’t working or having a jolly on the side (several holidays a year etc). Her argument was they give you three days to collect before it’s returned and in this three days if someone can’t make it to a post office they investigate why. You get a two week break each year for a holiday if you want, but if you can’t go to a Post Office once a week during business hours you’d be checked to ensure you weren’t working. If you couldn’t attend for a genuine reason, you could nominate someone to collect for you or they would send you a government cheque to cover (this was in 2010 mind you so things have likely changed)
Having the post offices look after the payments is also keeping people employed, post offices are closing all over the country and older people with no bank accounts or no bank services near them often rely on the Post Office. It’s a way of keeping things in the community, something needed in rural Ireland. If people really can’t make a journey once a week for genuine reasons the Social is very helpful and will do what they can to ensure people are paid. But i don’t believe that there are people genuinely this far away from a single post office that once a week is going to break them. Can someone in rural Kerry or wherever really 100% confirm there’s so few post offices that someone would really have a 55km trip to get to one?
What’s insane is that jobpath still exists in 2022. The department of social welfare seem adamant on keeping jobpath for whatever reason. I can only presume so it makes their lives easier by saying it’s not our responsibility to help people find work. It’s a private for profit company that does that.
Does this mean some people who have very little money, who will be forced to travel to the post office, will now be expected to hold back some of that small amount of money each week to pay for the travel.
No strong feelings on it, but I met a few lads in South American once, doing a a round the world trip, drawing welfare (paid to their accounts). Not exactly available for work.
jaysus… isnt the post office clogged up enough?
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Dare the government to offer a living wage Job Guarantee (not forced, people can choose dole instead), and direct it into building houses (plus all necessary training) – if they think fraud is such a big concern.
They would never do this, because they want to maintain the threat of unemployment against workers, to keep bargaining power down – that’s why they are demonizing the unemployed like this, it’s all about showing workers how they’ll be treated.
Privacy goes out the window at our local post office. I do often queue waiting to post a parcel and can hear the girl counting out how much she gives to each person it’s really bad
At this stage of things we need a general income for all – if we all got what the unemployed are getting then there would be no hidden poverty
It’s shocking the amount of bitter cunts crying about people getting their dole paid into the bank. Imagine being that spiteful that you have to have a go at the people who have the least.
There’s a certain stigma attached to collecting the payment at the post office. Bank transfer eliminates that embarrassment making it even more comfortable to remain on welfare
Yea, rich greedy fucks are our problem, not people on Jobseekers. Put the money in their accounts. Life is hard enough.
I guess people without jobs don’t deserve convenience.
Ahh jaysus the dole and pension queue in the Carlow post office is so bad you’d be “dead on your feet” 😉