15 years ago Robin Ince said he lost over £10,000 putting on a show in the Festival season.
In the 40 years I’ve been going to the events, it has changed dramatically – you used to be able to see a show on a whim it cost so little, now you have to curate everything; what I would call proper Fringe performers, school drama groups, community players, solo artistes, have all been priced out by established acts and companies.
I’m struggling to find a lot of sympathy here.
I don’t have negative thoughts towards them. Yes, they are trying to earn a living while taking their shot at fame or whatever their motivations are, but Edinburgh has always been more expensive, especially during festival season.
I wouldn’t say they deserve any red carpet treatment. It’s a choice they are making.
Mad 😠 x
As mentioned in the Edinburgh thread, these people need to realise this is a 12 month problem, not just an August one.
The festival is a victim of its own success really, it’s a shame but there probably needs to be a new ‘fringe’ a different time of the year or different city and try to start again as its clearly just a big name festival now. That’s without even getting into the terrible housing prices for full time residents. I even remember nearly 15 years ago, mates getting booted from their flats for the month of August for the landlord to rent out at extortionate prices. It’s just shit all round unfortunately.
Don’t worry, they just have to be the first to get in there with an “I only had one audience member!” And they’ll more than make their money back. I give it til tomorrow.
I imagine this caravan park is super cheap cause there’s a ton of places within 1h of Edinburgh where they could stay
Tenancy changes were a huge cause of this. There was an established setup which worked for decades and was affected by the changes. HMO flats had students 10 months of the year the holiday festival lets for the other two. Worked for everyone… can’t do it now
Oh? Priced out of the city you say? Forced to commute, you say?
What a fuckin’ shame.
Make some joke out of yer plight and it will all pay for itself
I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say about this.
Yes, you’re now too poor to rent/stay in Edinburgh. Most of us are.
It is eating itself, stuck in a negative tourist feedback loop stoked by a council that only cares about tourists and tourism.
Let’s face it, most of it is a load of shite anyway and the festival could do with some/any quality control. Maybe this is the markets way of doing what the council/organisers should.
Most theme parks are expensive with limited spaces. Edinburgh is no different.
They should begin to move it around. Tour it. The fringe @
It’s naked greed/supply and demand/good old capitalism that’s done this. Cause and effect. So the effect is that now it’s untenable without moving it around. Well done landlords of Edinburgh, you fucked yourselves.
The only thing that shocks me is that performers still want to show up.
I’ve seen country shows and Christmas markets fall to bits due to being priced out. Yet fringe keeps ticking over.
I could only imagine if 2 months from the start and their small to medium acts are non existent the council and investors would collectively shit a brick.
It’s a corporate money cow, it has been slowly imploding since the fences and giant cows showed up. The chaotic and unpredictable ‘take a chance’ vibes are a bygone era.
All that’s left is money rinsing and narcissistic asshats.
As someone who lived in Edinburgh for 15 years, I hate the fringe with a passion. It screws over non established/up and coming artists, it mentally and physically breaks hospitality staff, the tourists are entitled obnoxious g*ts who litter, piss and sh*t in the streets then blame the city for the mess they make, tenants are kicked out of their flats so landlords can put up tourists for eye watering money, it becomes extremely difficult just to live and work there as a resident. Edinburgh has always been tourists > residents, but the fringe takes it to obscene levels.
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15 years ago Robin Ince said he lost over £10,000 putting on a show in the Festival season.
In the 40 years I’ve been going to the events, it has changed dramatically – you used to be able to see a show on a whim it cost so little, now you have to curate everything; what I would call proper Fringe performers, school drama groups, community players, solo artistes, have all been priced out by established acts and companies.
I’m struggling to find a lot of sympathy here.
I don’t have negative thoughts towards them. Yes, they are trying to earn a living while taking their shot at fame or whatever their motivations are, but Edinburgh has always been more expensive, especially during festival season.
I wouldn’t say they deserve any red carpet treatment. It’s a choice they are making.
Mad 😠 x
As mentioned in the Edinburgh thread, these people need to realise this is a 12 month problem, not just an August one.
The festival is a victim of its own success really, it’s a shame but there probably needs to be a new ‘fringe’ a different time of the year or different city and try to start again as its clearly just a big name festival now. That’s without even getting into the terrible housing prices for full time residents. I even remember nearly 15 years ago, mates getting booted from their flats for the month of August for the landlord to rent out at extortionate prices. It’s just shit all round unfortunately.
Don’t worry, they just have to be the first to get in there with an “I only had one audience member!” And they’ll more than make their money back. I give it til tomorrow.
I imagine this caravan park is super cheap cause there’s a ton of places within 1h of Edinburgh where they could stay
Tenancy changes were a huge cause of this. There was an established setup which worked for decades and was affected by the changes. HMO flats had students 10 months of the year the holiday festival lets for the other two. Worked for everyone… can’t do it now
Oh? Priced out of the city you say? Forced to commute, you say?
What a fuckin’ shame.
Make some joke out of yer plight and it will all pay for itself
I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say about this.
Yes, you’re now too poor to rent/stay in Edinburgh. Most of us are.
It is eating itself, stuck in a negative tourist feedback loop stoked by a council that only cares about tourists and tourism.
Let’s face it, most of it is a load of shite anyway and the festival could do with some/any quality control. Maybe this is the markets way of doing what the council/organisers should.
Most theme parks are expensive with limited spaces. Edinburgh is no different.
They should begin to move it around. Tour it. The fringe @
It’s naked greed/supply and demand/good old capitalism that’s done this. Cause and effect. So the effect is that now it’s untenable without moving it around. Well done landlords of Edinburgh, you fucked yourselves.
The only thing that shocks me is that performers still want to show up.
I’ve seen country shows and Christmas markets fall to bits due to being priced out. Yet fringe keeps ticking over.
I could only imagine if 2 months from the start and their small to medium acts are non existent the council and investors would collectively shit a brick.
It’s a corporate money cow, it has been slowly imploding since the fences and giant cows showed up. The chaotic and unpredictable ‘take a chance’ vibes are a bygone era.
All that’s left is money rinsing and narcissistic asshats.
As someone who lived in Edinburgh for 15 years, I hate the fringe with a passion. It screws over non established/up and coming artists, it mentally and physically breaks hospitality staff, the tourists are entitled obnoxious g*ts who litter, piss and sh*t in the streets then blame the city for the mess they make, tenants are kicked out of their flats so landlords can put up tourists for eye watering money, it becomes extremely difficult just to live and work there as a resident. Edinburgh has always been tourists > residents, but the fringe takes it to obscene levels.
Someone fetch a really small violin.