My company rent out their offices and currently there’s around 150 computers and only 50 used on a good day. I can see why many companies are giving up trying to get people back into the office because it’s just not working. Why spend money on big offices for no one to really use them?
It’s almost like the accepted method of commuting millions of people to the office five days a week is a massively inefficient means of working that should have been done away with twenty years ago.
> Recruiters
Will be the first to go.
A hit piece designed to drum up fear and opposition to remote working.
This is what I’ve been worries about since the start of the pandemic. Especially in countries with high wages, it’s going to be difficult to convince firms to hire local people instead of cheaper labour, if everyone works via screens.
I’m also not looking forward to a future where everyone are expected to work from home. Maybe collective distance working facilities will pop up, but I don’t think it would create the same social workplaces.
Employers are getting rent free office space when employees opt to work from home. For employees they have to decide between a play pen or a work station. Or decide not to have children. So govt can justify more immigration in the bear future.
My previous job in tech support already got outsourced to Eastern Europe. Though it happened during the course of the pandemic, it had been their plan for ages beforehand. They then rushed it through before we were expected to be back in the offices (which didn’t then happen because of delta) and the whole process was horrific. But the pandemic wasn’t at fault, just shitty managers.
Proletariat Profit Units! Heed this warning!
The worthy shall return to the office and worship at the white collar altar. The worthy shall show faith in the world that unites us. Only the worthy shall be saved!
The Unclean hide in their darkened hovels, shying away from path of righteousness, and failing to praise The True Way. OUT! They shall be cast out and left to rot as the Worthy are given a free pen in lieu of a reasonable raise to keep pace with the rampant inflation.
— The Book of Pret, Core Values
Outsourcing happened long before wfh. It’s nothing new. Any time a company reaches a point where its only meaningful expense is its workforce, it will do one of two things:
Either it will import the workers willing to work for less money to do the same work, or if it can’t move proverbial Mohammed to the mountain it will move the mountain to Mohammed and just send the work abroad, if it is able.
There’s a reason many call centres are in India. They’ll do the same work for less money.
This is just scaremongering, because it’s been happening for yonks. Next week they’ll roll out an article about roles most likely to be automated – another thing that’s been happening for decades.
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>When his company surveyed workers, he said they found that most people want to continue working from home as much as they want in the future – but most also said they really miss the collegiate nature of working with others in an office.
>”My metaphor is: a five-year-old will simultaneously be sick for eating too much chocolate whilst asking for more chocolate,” he said.
>”And at some point, someone’s got to step in and say ‘no, if you eat more chocolate you’ll carry on being sick and that’s not good for you’.
>”We’re sort of at that point a bit.
>”And at the moment, everyone’s worried that if they’re the one that says ‘no stop eating chocolate’, the child will resign.”
This might just be the most patronising thing I have ever read.
>Mark Freebairn, partner and head of the board and CFO practices, said that before 2020, regulators would have “fainted” if they had been told private data was going to be handled from people’s homes – but this is now the norm.
Yet apparently have zero issue sending private date to other countries such as Mexico and India.
I just wanted to respond to the point ‘IT roles ‘being moved to Eastern Europe’
I’ve worked in multiple companies that hire IT services from Eastern Europe (and India) and they’ve already been doing this for the past decade. There’s a reason why most companies opt for home grown workers, otherwise all IT workers would’ve be out of work years ago.
So just who is this Alexa Phillips that I should be reading an op-ed from her? A factual content free piece, and quite frankly not even a particularly incisive take.
>”If you’re sat at home, saying to everyone ‘I can do my job from my home, don’t need to be in the office’, you are basically saying to everybody, ‘this job can be done from anywhere. As long as I’m prepared to be awake at the time when I need to be, I can do this from Australia, China, Latvia, Finland, Canada, Alaska – it doesn’t make any difference’.”
That is why you need legislation to ban companies from offshoring jobs that can be done here.
What is a democratic government if it is not supposed to work in the interests of the voters?
Reality: if job can be done well with WfH then someone in another part of the UK, Europe or the World might be able do it.
Pro-WfH crowd: Unfair biased news!
Wake up and smell the coffee, this is going to hit jobs that 5 years ago managers might never have considered offshoring or outsourcing. Now it has been shown the work can be done remotely.
If I’m a small 3D printing company in London I might have to pay (wages are examples I don’t know the exact figure) £50k to get a CAD technician in London. I can probably find someone in say the Welsh Valleys who can do the job WfH for £25k a perfectly good salary when a 3-bed victorian terrace can be bought for £50-75k. If they need to go to London for a face-to-meeting a hire car or train fare can be paid for.
A large company could outsource the work to Poland or India, meetings can be done via Teams/Zoom, files can be shared on the cloud or via a VPN.
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My company rent out their offices and currently there’s around 150 computers and only 50 used on a good day. I can see why many companies are giving up trying to get people back into the office because it’s just not working. Why spend money on big offices for no one to really use them?
It’s almost like the accepted method of commuting millions of people to the office five days a week is a massively inefficient means of working that should have been done away with twenty years ago.
> Recruiters
Will be the first to go.
A hit piece designed to drum up fear and opposition to remote working.
This is what I’ve been worries about since the start of the pandemic. Especially in countries with high wages, it’s going to be difficult to convince firms to hire local people instead of cheaper labour, if everyone works via screens.
I’m also not looking forward to a future where everyone are expected to work from home. Maybe collective distance working facilities will pop up, but I don’t think it would create the same social workplaces.
Employers are getting rent free office space when employees opt to work from home. For employees they have to decide between a play pen or a work station. Or decide not to have children. So govt can justify more immigration in the bear future.
My previous job in tech support already got outsourced to Eastern Europe. Though it happened during the course of the pandemic, it had been their plan for ages beforehand. They then rushed it through before we were expected to be back in the offices (which didn’t then happen because of delta) and the whole process was horrific. But the pandemic wasn’t at fault, just shitty managers.
Proletariat Profit Units! Heed this warning!
The worthy shall return to the office and worship at the white collar altar. The worthy shall show faith in the world that unites us. Only the worthy shall be saved!
The Unclean hide in their darkened hovels, shying away from path of righteousness, and failing to praise The True Way. OUT! They shall be cast out and left to rot as the Worthy are given a free pen in lieu of a reasonable raise to keep pace with the rampant inflation.
— The Book of Pret, Core Values
Outsourcing happened long before wfh. It’s nothing new. Any time a company reaches a point where its only meaningful expense is its workforce, it will do one of two things:
Either it will import the workers willing to work for less money to do the same work, or if it can’t move proverbial Mohammed to the mountain it will move the mountain to Mohammed and just send the work abroad, if it is able.
There’s a reason many call centres are in India. They’ll do the same work for less money.
This is just scaremongering, because it’s been happening for yonks. Next week they’ll roll out an article about roles most likely to be automated – another thing that’s been happening for decades.
This article brought to you by The Office Supply Store ™!
>When his company surveyed workers, he said they found that most people want to continue working from home as much as they want in the future – but most also said they really miss the collegiate nature of working with others in an office.
>”My metaphor is: a five-year-old will simultaneously be sick for eating too much chocolate whilst asking for more chocolate,” he said.
>”And at some point, someone’s got to step in and say ‘no, if you eat more chocolate you’ll carry on being sick and that’s not good for you’.
>”We’re sort of at that point a bit.
>”And at the moment, everyone’s worried that if they’re the one that says ‘no stop eating chocolate’, the child will resign.”
This might just be the most patronising thing I have ever read.
>Mark Freebairn, partner and head of the board and CFO practices, said that before 2020, regulators would have “fainted” if they had been told private data was going to be handled from people’s homes – but this is now the norm.
Yet apparently have zero issue sending private date to other countries such as Mexico and India.
I just wanted to respond to the point ‘IT roles ‘being moved to Eastern Europe’
I’ve worked in multiple companies that hire IT services from Eastern Europe (and India) and they’ve already been doing this for the past decade. There’s a reason why most companies opt for home grown workers, otherwise all IT workers would’ve be out of work years ago.
So just who is this Alexa Phillips that I should be reading an op-ed from her? A factual content free piece, and quite frankly not even a particularly incisive take.
>”If you’re sat at home, saying to everyone ‘I can do my job from my home, don’t need to be in the office’, you are basically saying to everybody, ‘this job can be done from anywhere. As long as I’m prepared to be awake at the time when I need to be, I can do this from Australia, China, Latvia, Finland, Canada, Alaska – it doesn’t make any difference’.”
That is why you need legislation to ban companies from offshoring jobs that can be done here.
What is a democratic government if it is not supposed to work in the interests of the voters?
Reality: if job can be done well with WfH then someone in another part of the UK, Europe or the World might be able do it.
Pro-WfH crowd: Unfair biased news!
Wake up and smell the coffee, this is going to hit jobs that 5 years ago managers might never have considered offshoring or outsourcing. Now it has been shown the work can be done remotely.
If I’m a small 3D printing company in London I might have to pay (wages are examples I don’t know the exact figure) £50k to get a CAD technician in London. I can probably find someone in say the Welsh Valleys who can do the job WfH for £25k a perfectly good salary when a 3-bed victorian terrace can be bought for £50-75k. If they need to go to London for a face-to-meeting a hire car or train fare can be paid for.
A large company could outsource the work to Poland or India, meetings can be done via Teams/Zoom, files can be shared on the cloud or via a VPN.