At this point I think it’d be better in the long run for both Labour and Lib Dems to essentially shut down and reform 2 new parties. The old labour/left wing of Labour can form a left wing pro-union, pro-workers typically European socialist party (though not using the name socialist for obvious reasons), and the central/neo-liberal wing of the party can merge in with the lib-dems to become that central party the lib-dems held.
Folks would get to vote for a party they actually believed in, and a few election promises to not fight seats in the others home turf and you could have a strong centre-left coalition to compete against the Tories. Throw in supporting consent for an independence referendum in Scotland with a promise to be neutral/not campaigning against, and you’d get support in Westminster from the 48 SNP seats from Scotland as well.
Between Unite and the tens of thousands who have resigned their membership, Labour’s finances have to be in serious difficulties.
Who would have thought that as a strategy that alienating so many of the Centre and Left in the party would play into the Tories hands?
So on one side we have a party where business buys influence, and on the other a party reforming itself to reduce both union and paryty member influence, to make itself more electable in a FPTP system. Why would the unions fund labour, and why should the rank and file work to elect candidates it cant select?
Maybe its time Labour realised its probably never going to get its snout in the trough again under the current system and support PR.
Well that’s really fekking useful isn’t it?
I wish all these factions of socialism and the liberals could just get together for once with one goal of getting the Tories out.
Then the first legislation they should work on is proportional representation.
Yes we’d end up with coalition government like most of Europe, but at least the wealthy Tories and their awful newspapers would have far less power.
Unite thinks the UK would be better off under the Tories obviously
Maybe 15 years of working people being shat on isn’t enough for them.
Instead they’d prefer to hold Labour to ransom for a load of policies that will keep them in opposition.
Did they ever get round to changing the rules to limit the liability of the party leader in the event of insolvency? Or is Sir Kier going to have to foot the bill?
Are Starmer’s Kahanist friends not stepping up, how strange.
I have to wonder though, if Unite don’t want tories in power why destroy the only party capable of getting rid of them?
Unite are playing a dangerous game here and I feel like they are not on the workers side here but using us as a cover.
They were actually going to win an election and unite won’t stand for that sort of thing.
The unions should start a new party tbh, Welsh Labour should become independent and Scottish Labour should give up
Let’s face it, we’ve been a one party state for close to a decade
Almost as if alienating hundreds of thousands of paying members to desperately try to get the papers to stop smearing labour was a mistake.
It should. Labour destroyed the left within the party and sabotaged Corbyn, signalling a disfain for the plight of working people and effectively playing a gatekeeper role for Conservatives and the system.
Fuck them. Never voting for that spineless milieu
Good, what we really need is for unions to push us towards another tory govt.
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At this point I think it’d be better in the long run for both Labour and Lib Dems to essentially shut down and reform 2 new parties. The old labour/left wing of Labour can form a left wing pro-union, pro-workers typically European socialist party (though not using the name socialist for obvious reasons), and the central/neo-liberal wing of the party can merge in with the lib-dems to become that central party the lib-dems held.
Folks would get to vote for a party they actually believed in, and a few election promises to not fight seats in the others home turf and you could have a strong centre-left coalition to compete against the Tories. Throw in supporting consent for an independence referendum in Scotland with a promise to be neutral/not campaigning against, and you’d get support in Westminster from the 48 SNP seats from Scotland as well.
Between Unite and the tens of thousands who have resigned their membership, Labour’s finances have to be in serious difficulties.
Who would have thought that as a strategy that alienating so many of the Centre and Left in the party would play into the Tories hands?
So on one side we have a party where business buys influence, and on the other a party reforming itself to reduce both union and paryty member influence, to make itself more electable in a FPTP system. Why would the unions fund labour, and why should the rank and file work to elect candidates it cant select?
Maybe its time Labour realised its probably never going to get its snout in the trough again under the current system and support PR.
Well that’s really fekking useful isn’t it?
I wish all these factions of socialism and the liberals could just get together for once with one goal of getting the Tories out.
Then the first legislation they should work on is proportional representation.
Yes we’d end up with coalition government like most of Europe, but at least the wealthy Tories and their awful newspapers would have far less power.
Unite thinks the UK would be better off under the Tories obviously
Maybe 15 years of working people being shat on isn’t enough for them.
Instead they’d prefer to hold Labour to ransom for a load of policies that will keep them in opposition.
Did they ever get round to changing the rules to limit the liability of the party leader in the event of insolvency? Or is Sir Kier going to have to foot the bill?
Edit: source for old(?) rules: [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/may/29/labour](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/may/29/labour)
Are Starmer’s Kahanist friends not stepping up, how strange.
I have to wonder though, if Unite don’t want tories in power why destroy the only party capable of getting rid of them?
Unite are playing a dangerous game here and I feel like they are not on the workers side here but using us as a cover.
They were actually going to win an election and unite won’t stand for that sort of thing.
The unions should start a new party tbh, Welsh Labour should become independent and Scottish Labour should give up
Let’s face it, we’ve been a one party state for close to a decade
Almost as if alienating hundreds of thousands of paying members to desperately try to get the papers to stop smearing labour was a mistake.
It should. Labour destroyed the left within the party and sabotaged Corbyn, signalling a disfain for the plight of working people and effectively playing a gatekeeper role for Conservatives and the system.
Fuck them. Never voting for that spineless milieu
Good, what we really need is for unions to push us towards another tory govt.
Oh wow it’s almost as if having a Labour Party leader who [opposes industrial action](https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1363778861301968896), purged left-wing members from the party, and [fought against a member of his own party’s efforts to decriminalise cannabis](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/keir-starmer-clashes-sadiq-khan-drugs-decrminalisation-cannabis-ketamine-speed_uk_61d43316e4b0c7d8b8a7c082) has kind of devalued the “Labour” brand.