It would cost more and require a bit more space to have corridor with individual bathrooms.
But it’s safer, more pleasant and less complicated.
Public toilets are used less and less with WFH and online shopping anyway.
Scary times. The downfall of the EHRC, from an organization that stood up for equality, to one that continuously bats for transphobia, has been really quick.
All it took was a few partisan government appointees, and a couple year for them to do their damage.
And there it is a naked attempt to roll back legal protections for trans people that have existed without issue for over a decade. And all without even having to pass new legislation! Trans people’s access to gendered bathrooms has been legally protected since 2010, this is solely on the basis of self Id and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts. Anti trans groups and their allies in the media have been pushing the narrative that this protection is barred behind the difficult to obtain GRC since GRC reform was proposed. It is not enough for them to stop GRC reform as they have already done but they have actively been working towards a complete roll back of existing protections. Where are LGBT allies in this country? Why are trans people alone in defending ourselves from the Gay Panic 2.0?
So are they just expecting trans people to piss in the street?
This is absolutely barmy. I have never looked twice at anyone else in the loos because guess what? I’m there for a wee. And there’s this magical thing called cubicles. With a lock and everything.
I really really don’t understand all the focus on transpeople by these people. It isn’t even tactical political distraction like harping on about the children, it’s legit hatred and vitriol. Meanwhile there is no pushback by the opposition, which coddles transphobes in their Party. I don’t think whatserface even apologised for immediately accusing a transgender woman for being responsible for a murder in a woman’s shelter, when the perpetrator turned out to be a ciswoman.
Requiring a gender recognition certificate to access a bathroom makes zero sense.
Completely unenforceable. People usually don’t carry a GRC or birth certificate on them. Passports and drivers licenses can be updated without a grc. Non passing trans women aren’t exactly common compared to butch women.
But I suppose that’s the point. They can pick and choose who to harass if they don’t meet some arbitrary measure of womanhood in their mind. God knows butch women get enough flack as is with the whole trans bathroom panic.
Imagine Monday morning you’re having a filthy poo, evacuating the weekend’s curry and then when you open the cubicle door you’re greeted by a snarky Karen screaming *’have you got a certificate!?’*
I’m so sick of this. So fucking sick of this. A group set up to defend us has been infiltrated by gender criticals and made inhospitable for allies. Infiltrated isn’t even the right word. The lgb alliance and terfs were welcomed with open arms to discuss trans people’s rights whilst we were kicked from the room. This just gets worse from week to week. Trans people have been using toilets forever. We are not a threat. The gender criticals are taking our rights away based on nothing but prejudice and hatred. And the government support them, the entire media establishment support them and most people, even the ones who say they have our backs do fuck all. A trans child committed suicide recently due to bullying. What will it take for people to stand up and show transphobes that their behaviour is not acceptable. Trans people are loud but we are small, our voices cannot be heard. The silence of those who say they support trans people and then do absolutely nothing, is complicity with making transphobia acceptable. Where are you people at our protests? Signing our petitions. Lobbying your mp’s. Even just writing a reply to a tweet when mps and police and crime commissioners and the bbc are openly transphobic. Where are you? The transphobes arent making our persecution acceptable, your indifference is.
And on topic, bathroom bills just hurt cis people. Most trans people are trying to pass as our gender. Most of us won’t get clocked despite the terf narrative that ‘we can always tell.’ Most people harassed by transphobes in bathrooms are butch cis women. And like I say. We’ve been peeing where we want for millennia. Hasn’t caused a problem. The people who want to change the status quo, who are harassing people are the gender criticals. They should have their own bathroom.
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Because there’s zero risk in same sex bathrooms.
Fucking state of this country… if this is true then to my trans siblings, I am so sorry
What makes all this somewhat more sinister is I think the implication that it’s not even that this will necessarily be well enforced (an argument I’m sure will be used to dismiss people worried about this law), but even if it’s not enforced it basically whistles that “it’s okay to be transphobic, we won’t criminalise you for it,” which is absolutely *not* what the EHRC should be doing.
People who plan to attack others in bathrooms will do regardless of whether they have a gender recognition certificate or not. They won’t assault others because they are trans or not, but because they are mentally ill and want to harm other people. While there may be the odd trans person who chooses to assault someone, there will be so many more cis people doing so simply based on how few trans people there are in the general population. Not to mention that trans people are far more likely to be the victims of assault in a bathroom than the perpetrator; they are the group that really needs protection when using a bathroom.
What a load of hyperbolic nonsense, in the article and here in the comments. It doesn’t reveal that at all. It shows the EHRC wants to offer accurate guidance on the existing legal protections for single sex spaces. The EHRC guidance agreeing with the law is hardly breaking news, that’s their job.
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IMO the best solution for this issue…
Is to get rid of toilet blocks with cubicles.
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Have only individual rooms with sink + toilet.
It would cost more and require a bit more space to have corridor with individual bathrooms.
But it’s safer, more pleasant and less complicated.
Public toilets are used less and less with WFH and online shopping anyway.
Scary times. The downfall of the EHRC, from an organization that stood up for equality, to one that continuously bats for transphobia, has been really quick.
All it took was a few partisan government appointees, and a couple year for them to do their damage.
And there it is a naked attempt to roll back legal protections for trans people that have existed without issue for over a decade. And all without even having to pass new legislation! Trans people’s access to gendered bathrooms has been legally protected since 2010, this is solely on the basis of self Id and has been repeatedly upheld by the courts. Anti trans groups and their allies in the media have been pushing the narrative that this protection is barred behind the difficult to obtain GRC since GRC reform was proposed. It is not enough for them to stop GRC reform as they have already done but they have actively been working towards a complete roll back of existing protections. Where are LGBT allies in this country? Why are trans people alone in defending ourselves from the Gay Panic 2.0?
So are they just expecting trans people to piss in the street?
This is absolutely barmy. I have never looked twice at anyone else in the loos because guess what? I’m there for a wee. And there’s this magical thing called cubicles. With a lock and everything.
I really really don’t understand all the focus on transpeople by these people. It isn’t even tactical political distraction like harping on about the children, it’s legit hatred and vitriol. Meanwhile there is no pushback by the opposition, which coddles transphobes in their Party. I don’t think whatserface even apologised for immediately accusing a transgender woman for being responsible for a murder in a woman’s shelter, when the perpetrator turned out to be a ciswoman.
Requiring a gender recognition certificate to access a bathroom makes zero sense.
Completely unenforceable. People usually don’t carry a GRC or birth certificate on them. Passports and drivers licenses can be updated without a grc. Non passing trans women aren’t exactly common compared to butch women.
But I suppose that’s the point. They can pick and choose who to harass if they don’t meet some arbitrary measure of womanhood in their mind. God knows butch women get enough flack as is with the whole trans bathroom panic.
Imagine Monday morning you’re having a filthy poo, evacuating the weekend’s curry and then when you open the cubicle door you’re greeted by a snarky Karen screaming *’have you got a certificate!?’*
I’m so sick of this. So fucking sick of this. A group set up to defend us has been infiltrated by gender criticals and made inhospitable for allies. Infiltrated isn’t even the right word. The lgb alliance and terfs were welcomed with open arms to discuss trans people’s rights whilst we were kicked from the room. This just gets worse from week to week. Trans people have been using toilets forever. We are not a threat. The gender criticals are taking our rights away based on nothing but prejudice and hatred. And the government support them, the entire media establishment support them and most people, even the ones who say they have our backs do fuck all. A trans child committed suicide recently due to bullying. What will it take for people to stand up and show transphobes that their behaviour is not acceptable. Trans people are loud but we are small, our voices cannot be heard. The silence of those who say they support trans people and then do absolutely nothing, is complicity with making transphobia acceptable. Where are you people at our protests? Signing our petitions. Lobbying your mp’s. Even just writing a reply to a tweet when mps and police and crime commissioners and the bbc are openly transphobic. Where are you? The transphobes arent making our persecution acceptable, your indifference is.
And on topic, bathroom bills just hurt cis people. Most trans people are trying to pass as our gender. Most of us won’t get clocked despite the terf narrative that ‘we can always tell.’ Most people harassed by transphobes in bathrooms are butch cis women. And like I say. We’ve been peeing where we want for millennia. Hasn’t caused a problem. The people who want to change the status quo, who are harassing people are the gender criticals. They should have their own bathroom.
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Because there’s zero risk in same sex bathrooms.
Fucking state of this country… if this is true then to my trans siblings, I am so sorry
What makes all this somewhat more sinister is I think the implication that it’s not even that this will necessarily be well enforced (an argument I’m sure will be used to dismiss people worried about this law), but even if it’s not enforced it basically whistles that “it’s okay to be transphobic, we won’t criminalise you for it,” which is absolutely *not* what the EHRC should be doing.
People who plan to attack others in bathrooms will do regardless of whether they have a gender recognition certificate or not. They won’t assault others because they are trans or not, but because they are mentally ill and want to harm other people. While there may be the odd trans person who chooses to assault someone, there will be so many more cis people doing so simply based on how few trans people there are in the general population. Not to mention that trans people are far more likely to be the victims of assault in a bathroom than the perpetrator; they are the group that really needs protection when using a bathroom.
What a load of hyperbolic nonsense, in the article and here in the comments. It doesn’t reveal that at all. It shows the EHRC wants to offer accurate guidance on the existing legal protections for single sex spaces. The EHRC guidance agreeing with the law is hardly breaking news, that’s their job.