BBC in depth article about the riots which doesn’t mention the reason people say they are protesting once
by AmbitiousDiet6793
BBC in depth article about the riots which doesn’t mention the reason people say they are protesting once
by AmbitiousDiet6793
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Erm, second paragraph
>The murders in Southport of Elsie Dot Stancombe, Alice da Silva Aguiar and Bebe King were seized upon by extremists, who exploited the tragedy to promote their own hatreds and agendas.
And then it goes on to talk about the riots, not the protests
It’s all about running defence for themselves after they intentionally put out disinformation to begin with.
The whole “far right” “not from this area” “Tommy Robinson” ect ect narrative was propaganda to make local people think twice about joining in that may share the same views (another reason why those views aren’t published by the media). Some might say the untruths published by the media are noble and justified as a means to stem contagion of the disorder but disinformation it was nonetheless.
The problem is now these people are in court it’s clear on social media that they are in fact mostly local people and not part of any far right groups at all (a tiny number of exceptions of course). Now the media have to make tweaks to the narrative, moving on from the organised far right not local people to suggesting that the fact this narrative is wrong is actually WORSE because now anyone, even within your own household could be FAR RIGhT
The regime desperately wants to frame the problem as if it’s an issue of censorship. The government says:
“this wouldn’t have happened if we had the powers to censor those silly plebs online!”
The problem is mass immigration. The people of Britain have consistently voted against mass immigration. Last year the government imported around 700,000 people. The Southport attacker was a second generation immigrant.
Those girls died because of our governments insistence on importing the third world. The attacker was here as an economic decision. The price of the economic decision is that occasionally people will lose their children. The regime has deemed this a reasonable price to pay.
So “don’t look back in anger”, silly plebs. Things like this are just “part and parcel” of living in modern Britain. Stop complaining, you old labour voters…don’t you know that complaining about this issue makes you a nazi?
EDIT: please take note of all the replies which take the form of “haha your people deserve to be destroyed”. They mean it. They aren’t joking.
Edit: Last one. “Muh NHS staff” comes up a lot. This idea that the NHS would collapse without cheap foreign labour is misleading. It’s the cheap foreign labour that allows the NHS to keep labour costs low. Without it they would need to pay market rates for staff. Newly qualified nurses in the UK make 30k a year for agonisingly long hours. The salary should be much, much higher. But the NHS can avoid paying decent wages by importing that sweet, cheap foreign labour. It allows them to suppress those wages. This is mass immigration. These are my British values.
Well yeah. Cause they weren’t protesting, they were rioting. Looting shops, burning cars, hurling racist abuse, attempting to burn down hotels, trying to lynch children and break into mosque.
Who gives a fuck what they say the reason was.
Seems the usual fair and balanced reporting by the BBC (/s) – actually more of an opinion piece, where they get to call everyone haters – even those that don’t riot and stand in democratic elections and put forward policy platforms, who are labelled the “newly dangerous far right” who are part of “right-wing extremism”. Even though they admit later that most of those who took part in the disorder had no known links to the extreme or far right – so yobs and idiots looking for an excuse.
*Will the disorder come to be seen as a one-off outburst quickly faced down by the public and police,* ***or as a display of power by a newly dangerous far right****?*
*The result was a series of violent flash mobs, spanning over several days, with racial and religious hatred the central animating motive.*
***Right-wing extremism itself can be thought of a spectrum,*** *rather than a coherent whole. It includes genocidal neo-Nazis treated as terrorists by the state, who hide behind online aliases, scorn campaigning, want to destroy society and venerate Adolf Hitler.* ***But the term is also used to describe people who stand in democratic elections, engage in public campaigns and put forward policy platforms.***
***I tend to use “extreme right” for the first type and “far right” for the latter.***
***There are hatreds that unite different parts of the spectrum****, but there are also differences. For example, the central antisemitic conspiracy theories espoused by neo-Nazis will not always be shared by some far-right figures, who might mainly target Muslims.*
*Most of those who took part in the disorder had no known links to the extreme or far right. There were a range of people involved, from people in their late 60s to children, with a range of different motivations. Some were opportunistic criminals who took part in looting and stealing. Others were drunk and joined in after the chaos had started.*
*The main targets for rioters – Muslims and services used by migrants – have been demonised for years by some public figures as well as by fringe activists.*
Gaslighting propaganda from the state media? Who’d have thought.
Racist and far right used to be good epithets to shut down conversation.
It automatically makes you the evil, terrible and insular person while the performative white knight comes across as good and virtuous, they are clever neo liberals while you are the dumb knuckle dragging Hitler for predictng the inevitable consequences of the last 30 years of government policy.
The epithets are being overused and losing effect. The reasons and clear tensions can’t be swept under the rug forever. Unfortunately neither labour or Tory seem able to have an adult conversation or be honest with the nation.
As far as ‘indepth’ (really just opinion pieces) BBC articles go I would say this is one of the better ones only for one reason. It does the usual of not providing evidence or sources for any of its more exact claims while presenting them as fact, but it does admit to a few interesting things. Namely
>The truth is that no one organisation owned or organised the riots: they were bigger than that.
which is a interesting admission from the BBC. And
>Most of those who took part in the disorder had no known links to the extreme or far right.
But, yea, the article is largely desperate to prove its general thesis. You would think that a self-professed investigator of the ‘far-right’ would have more meat on the bone, but it mostly just boogeyman fluff.
The author goes on to suppose
>One possible conclusion to be drawn from the burst of violence this summer is that far-right narratives are now more mainstream than many would like to think. Is there now a far-right culture that is more prevalent in society and which transcends the need to organise in political groups? If so, activists may feel emboldened by what’s happened over these past weeks and the risk of violence potentially could be even greater.
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The reaction of the public, police and courts to the riots has shown how most people do not share the violent hatreds and fantasies of the far and extreme right.
You’d think this supposition coupled with the admission that almost all of those so far arrested have had no known links to the far-right would lead the author to suppose that maybe there hasn’t been a growth in the far-right, but maybe there has been a growth in the far-left attitudes from the intelligentsia and political class, whereas the ‘far-right’ have maintained the same position that was once centrist only a few decades ago. Maybe the ‘far-right’ is only far-right relative to the increasingly far-left nature of those who write for such institutions? After all, if anything is more mainstream surely it is the far-left? At least we have yet to see Nick Griffin take over the Tory party, but it wasn’t too long ago Corbyn very nearly came to power and right now we have a Labour government that seems to be engaging in quite open corruption – at least based on recent civil service appointments and dubious trade union agreements & election donations. Maybe the far-right is growing only by virtue of the fact the left is becoming increasingly exclusory and concerned with the issues that pre-occupy the wealthy and sanctimonious? Perhaps the ideology that dominates the general intelligentsia and educated amongst us is susceptible to self-fulfilling prophecy?
Such self-reflection is unlikely to come from the self-anointed far-left, however. It is quite difficult for those who regularly quip ‘the adults are back in charge’ to doubt themselves let alone consider the possibility that they are simply wrong.
People can say they’re “protesting” all they like, and cook up as many covers for their motivations as they want, their reasons for rioting and their aims were made clear and obvious by them attacking random black and brown people, trying to set fire to hotels with families inside just because they’re asylum seekers, and chanting Islamophobic slogans while attacking mosques and Muslims in the street. Actions speak louder than words.
The problem of this article is the lack of mention of Vinny J Ferret and his faragists in Reform U.K. worsening mainstreaming of such demonisation and worsening trust (particularly if they had quack candidates) even though there were lines crossed that even these people would never cross.
My grandmother – fountain of knowledge- would have to live another twenty thousand years to work out how a smartphone works, though.
“If all of the people worried (about immigration) were racist thugs, millions would have been angry when Sunak became prime minister”.
Right wing has concerns about immigration. Far right wants to loot, attack good people and riot.
The article is about far right and riots. Right wing concerns about immigration are covered daily by BBC and other outlets
I have yet to see it mentioned, and I think it’s an important factor in these riots, that the racist idiots had just seen ‘brown people’ rioting against the police in Leeds (Harehill) and then again in Manchester (Airport incident/aftermath) and they wanted to have their turn.
The Southport incident was the spark but it was only able to ignite so fiercely because these previous incidents had united a lot of them/got a lot of them speaking.
No doubt some, if not all, if the rioters were just looking for trouble. But it’s possible that some were just fed up with immigration. Yes, you can characterise them as racist but racists have opinions and rights as well as votes. The rise if Reform is frightening.
What is very striking about the riots is that many of the people being prosecuted for participating in them are career criminals with multiple previous convictions. They appear to be people of low ability amd attainment who have some fundamentally antisocial tendencies. They are happy to latch onto a “cause” that legitimises the destruction of property and violence against others – activities that they enjoy. They are easily exploited by unscrupulous politicians and grifters who wind them up and who appear to support and applaud them – until the riots kick off and prosecutions follow. Then, for some mysterious reason, these politicians and grifters deny inciting the riots and distance theselves from the poor mugs who are now facing lengthy jail terms.
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Every single nation on Earth has a right to decide who comes into their country.
Nobody with half a brain is denying that.
The issue is, what proactive actions did these people organise before the pogroms? Nothing!
Why didn’t they organise a general work strike? Halt the country! Force change. Nothing!
They all just repeated the same thing ‘We told them and they didn’t listen’. Who told them? This supposed group couldn’t even get their officials elected to parliament! Even when the conservatives were in power, they didn’t stop the boats either.
They didn’t do anything proactive until they decided to start burning hotels and attacking minorities.
The fact that the Southport riots were based on a lie only makes it worse. Muslims were blamed for nothing and were subsequently attacked (amongst many other minorities, but the Muslims were the centre of attention).
The more “normal” people turn a blind eye to why these people are protesting will only make things worse.
Most people want to condemn the rioters but will do nothing to tackle the issues causing them.