F’d around going into debt doing a bad degree at Ulster University.
Found out.
PA’s should be abolished anyhow, doctors or nurses nothing in between.
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They can join the out of work doctors as well where there aren’t enough training posts for doctors to progress, and not enough GP jobs as GP surgeries are getting incentives to hire PA/ACPs instead.
Well that’s something I suppose. The PA role is a dangerous way to save money on properly training Doctors. It’s a shame the role wasn’t used as it was initially intended. I don’t want some PA in charge of my anaesthetic, thank you.
One of my cousins got this degree and got work right away. She’s Welsh.
The number of degrees is always increasing, with new job promises and brilliant futures, but it’s just business—‘Education Business.’
Still, the job prospects for people with medical careers in the UK are rigged because the NHS controls 80% of the health market.
Since I am dowvoted let me explain that NHS’s money comes from the goverment and so they can hire more or less or pay more or less depending of it.
*“We felt an indispensable part of the team wherever we worked…”*
Why does this article exist then?
I think articles like this are slightly misleading. It’s not a “2 year degree” it’s a 3 year undergraduate followed by a 2 year graduate PA program, OR a 4 year integrated masters program. So 4-5 years, not 2.
PAs are just not a viable role and were created to suppress doctors wages by replacing them, despite not having the qualifications or competency to do so.
They are wholly dependent practitioners that require the same level of supervision as medical students (a consultant double checking all their work) and they are supposed to be given base pay of around 50k- more than qualified doctors get for the first 2 years of their working life.
The role is not appropriate, not sustainable and purely made to reduce the bargaining power of doctors with their salary. The political gambit has failed and people who were duped into training as a PA are caught in the political crossfire
Surely it’s not beyond us to find suitable roles within the NHS for these people considering the massive staff shortages.
Even if they had a spot inside chemists they could help diagnose low level issues which regularly clogg up GP services. I’d much rather have a PA look at me and prescribe something in a chemist, than get told I have to go book a GP appointment.
The original idea of PAs was fine – Doctors having more dedicated assistants to handle admin and routine stuff to free up their time to handle complex medical cases – but the role grew into being doctors on the cheap without the training or experience required to keep patients safe.
Not getting your dream job straight after finishing your degree is hardly a new thing.
Good. A pointless role trying to make a captive cadre of semi-qualified protocol followers who aren’t able to work outside the country.
Seems like the term ‘physicians associate’ is misleading and causing issues. Should be Assistant Healthcare Associate or something without the word ‘physician’ in it. Imagine if I was a ‘pilots’ associate’ and all I did was remove the chocks, people would be confused.
I feel bad that my instant reaction to this headline was “good”.
It’s not good that people don’t have jobs they’re trained for but those jobs shouldn’t exist.
There’s student nurses and midwives graduating without jobs. There’s doctors who can’t get jobs.
Toxic couple aren’t hired after a temporary placement, more news at 11. *rolls eyes*
I could see PAs being useful on places like Offshore rigs, medium and small cruise ships, remote job sites, refineries etc. But as a replacement for a real doctor, that’s a hard NO
We shouldn’t have PA’s they’re not qualified doctors, I don’t want to go to my GP with any of the countless disabilities I suffer with only to find out that I’m not being seen by an actual medical professional
Thinking you’ll walk into a role exactly where you want it?
I did a degree in physiotherapy but jobs were competitive and some areas just weren’t hiring. Understand you may need to be patient or relocate….like any role unless you’re in London.
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F’d around going into debt doing a bad degree at Ulster University.
Found out.
PA’s should be abolished anyhow, doctors or nurses nothing in between.
[deleted]
They can join the out of work doctors as well where there aren’t enough training posts for doctors to progress, and not enough GP jobs as GP surgeries are getting incentives to hire PA/ACPs instead.
Well that’s something I suppose. The PA role is a dangerous way to save money on properly training Doctors. It’s a shame the role wasn’t used as it was initially intended. I don’t want some PA in charge of my anaesthetic, thank you.
One of my cousins got this degree and got work right away. She’s Welsh.
The number of degrees is always increasing, with new job promises and brilliant futures, but it’s just business—‘Education Business.’
Still, the job prospects for people with medical careers in the UK are rigged because the NHS controls 80% of the health market.
Since I am dowvoted let me explain that NHS’s money comes from the goverment and so they can hire more or less or pay more or less depending of it.
*“We felt an indispensable part of the team wherever we worked…”*
Why does this article exist then?
I think articles like this are slightly misleading. It’s not a “2 year degree” it’s a 3 year undergraduate followed by a 2 year graduate PA program, OR a 4 year integrated masters program. So 4-5 years, not 2.
PAs are just not a viable role and were created to suppress doctors wages by replacing them, despite not having the qualifications or competency to do so.
They are wholly dependent practitioners that require the same level of supervision as medical students (a consultant double checking all their work) and they are supposed to be given base pay of around 50k- more than qualified doctors get for the first 2 years of their working life.
The role is not appropriate, not sustainable and purely made to reduce the bargaining power of doctors with their salary. The political gambit has failed and people who were duped into training as a PA are caught in the political crossfire
Surely it’s not beyond us to find suitable roles within the NHS for these people considering the massive staff shortages.
Even if they had a spot inside chemists they could help diagnose low level issues which regularly clogg up GP services. I’d much rather have a PA look at me and prescribe something in a chemist, than get told I have to go book a GP appointment.
The original idea of PAs was fine – Doctors having more dedicated assistants to handle admin and routine stuff to free up their time to handle complex medical cases – but the role grew into being doctors on the cheap without the training or experience required to keep patients safe.
Not getting your dream job straight after finishing your degree is hardly a new thing.
Good. A pointless role trying to make a captive cadre of semi-qualified protocol followers who aren’t able to work outside the country.
Seems like the term ‘physicians associate’ is misleading and causing issues. Should be Assistant Healthcare Associate or something without the word ‘physician’ in it. Imagine if I was a ‘pilots’ associate’ and all I did was remove the chocks, people would be confused.
I feel bad that my instant reaction to this headline was “good”.
It’s not good that people don’t have jobs they’re trained for but those jobs shouldn’t exist.
There’s student nurses and midwives graduating without jobs. There’s doctors who can’t get jobs.
Toxic couple aren’t hired after a temporary placement, more news at 11. *rolls eyes*
I could see PAs being useful on places like Offshore rigs, medium and small cruise ships, remote job sites, refineries etc. But as a replacement for a real doctor, that’s a hard NO
We shouldn’t have PA’s they’re not qualified doctors, I don’t want to go to my GP with any of the countless disabilities I suffer with only to find out that I’m not being seen by an actual medical professional
Thinking you’ll walk into a role exactly where you want it?
I did a degree in physiotherapy but jobs were competitive and some areas just weren’t hiring. Understand you may need to be patient or relocate….like any role unless you’re in London.