To be fair, that’s just people on twitter ripping the piss out of a racist cunt’s poll rather than passionate Welsh people.
Why do you wish that Irish residents wanted to speak Irish ?
What would be the benifit of speaking Irish in today’s society ?
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What would need to happen is to not teach English until later on. 2n year? Perhaps?
Also we need to get more immersive media. I probably know more in/about Japanese than I do in Gaelige because of the channels I follow. (Abroad in Japan).
Catchy songs in Irish that will have you remember the words and then read the lyrics then the more you listen the more you ‘get it”. More movies in Irish. More shows in Irish with subs with catch-phrases, pick it up little by little.
Putting on my conspiracy hat I think the lack of wanting to maintain Irish and teaching it in a more practical everyday way, like a comment above mentioned, is a fg/FF ploy. If we can’t speak our own language, we’re more likely to forget our past, lose our identity and become a more compliant nation. This way we’re trying to find a new identity which works for the powers that be when they’re throwing out that we’re “all middle class” line.
Irish people are argumentative people but we’ve suddenly lost the desire to fight back, to protest? The more we lose our past memories, our language, our uniqueness then it’s easier to manipulate a nation. We fought invaders for centuries but we can’t let our current leaders know it’s time to wind their necks back in?
This is why I think it’s a deliberate effort to not bother with Irish. FG/FF want to move away us away from anything that might remind us that we have a past of challenging regimes.
There’s an argument that this ‘die-hard attitude’ is actually counter productive. By forcing every child to learn the language in school it feels like a chore and is compared to the like of English or French, languages that are regularly spoken outside the classroom, by which measure it seems like a waste of time, or unnecessary stress, to many students. This breeds apathy and contempt.
An alternative was seen in Scotland recently. Give the students a foundation in school (word sounds, numbers, basic conversation) and the resources/options to learn as much more as they want. Then instill the language as an option to converse between themselves that adults don’t understand. This gives a new purpose to the language outside of the classroom and gives it the room to grow.
I think Ireland and Wales could both do with rethinking their approach if teenagers are becoming apathetic to these languages.
There was a great National Geographic s article on language and specifically dead and dying languages .
Peoples brains are wired to make it very difficult to learn dead and dying languages as they aren’t useful on a day to day basis for survival . Languages need daily use or be essential for the majority of people to easily learn or retain them.
Incredibly hard to bring a dead language back , English is infinitely more useful as a first language for us than Irish unfortunately.
To be fair to the Welsh, every time I have been there, I have heard the language spoken casually. Far more than Irish is spoken here which I have only heard a few times.
More Irish people speak Irish than Welsh people speak Welsh or Scottish people Gaelic. We’ve tried much harder here, probably because not being part of Britain is so important to us.
I wish we were like the Norwegians.
Perfect English and perfect Norwegian. Some German and French/Spanish knowledge for good measure.
And a fuckton of oil.
Only way it’ll ever happen is if you tie concrete financial incentives to it. Things like tax credits and rebates for being a fluent Irish speaker, jobs reserved solely for fluent Irish speakers and the like.
The reality is that while most people say that the language means a lot to them and that they’ve always been interested in learning it, most people don’t actually care enough to put effort into learning the language. If you put in place financial incentives to coax people into the right direction at least for the first 15-20 years or so you could actually have a base of viably fluent Irish speakers.
It’s funny in a sad way. I was Mr ‘fuck Irish as a language’ up until about 2-3 years ago because I saw absolutely no use for it.
The older I’m getting the more I think it’s a shame we don’t speak it.
Personally, I don’t see any benefits outside of cultural benefits. Like for example, French, Spanish, German and Chinese are all much more beneficial languages to have from a business point of view.
In saying that, I pity the way in which I was taught and it was managed. I don’t think it’s so much as too late for me to learn it. But I don’t have a gusto for doing so at current. Part of the problem I suppose!
I wonder if the fact that it isn’t compulsory is the reason more Welsh people actually speak Welsh than Irish people speak our language.
They need to end the compulsion in school. If 90% hate the subject when they leave school they carry that with them. If it wasn’t compulsory, that 90% would just be apathetic which would be a much healthier place to start.
Don’t wait for the government to intervene, get in Duo Lingo and start teaching your kids now!
Problem is we hate being told what to do.
If they banned Irish the entire population would be fluent in a couple of months
We take Irish for granted, that’s all. It doesn’t need to be necessary for university access tbf.
This tweet says the Welsh Government is **plans to** force every kid to learn it. Our government has always forced kids to learn Irish. So how do we **not** have the same “die hard attitude”?
Irish should be an optional language after primary school. If you are passionate about it great, if you think it serves no practical purpose in your life that should be your perogative too.
There should absolutely be an adult literacy program for Irish (if there is it needs to be advertised better) sponsored by the government for people who would like to get back into it or even pick it up of they are immigrants.
If they did it right it might be a cool way for people who post on here about having no friends to meet people too and form those elusive adult friend circles.
I don’t get why BritNats (really just English more than “British) talk about how great Britain and British culture is, but don’t want to preserve the linguistic side of its culture.
There’s far more languages spoken in the UK than people realise. Just off the top of my head I can think of seven: English, Welsh, Scots, Cornish, Gaelic, Irish and Shelta. Eight if you include Manx.
But if you speak anything other than English in what used to be a linguistically teeming country, you hate the UK according to BritNats.
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Would be nice to see our language have a comeback
To be fair, that’s just people on twitter ripping the piss out of a racist cunt’s poll rather than passionate Welsh people.
Why do you wish that Irish residents wanted to speak Irish ?
What would be the benifit of speaking Irish in today’s society ?
[deleted]
What would need to happen is to not teach English until later on. 2n year? Perhaps?
Also we need to get more immersive media. I probably know more in/about Japanese than I do in Gaelige because of the channels I follow. (Abroad in Japan).
Catchy songs in Irish that will have you remember the words and then read the lyrics then the more you listen the more you ‘get it”. More movies in Irish. More shows in Irish with subs with catch-phrases, pick it up little by little.
Putting on my conspiracy hat I think the lack of wanting to maintain Irish and teaching it in a more practical everyday way, like a comment above mentioned, is a fg/FF ploy. If we can’t speak our own language, we’re more likely to forget our past, lose our identity and become a more compliant nation. This way we’re trying to find a new identity which works for the powers that be when they’re throwing out that we’re “all middle class” line.
Irish people are argumentative people but we’ve suddenly lost the desire to fight back, to protest? The more we lose our past memories, our language, our uniqueness then it’s easier to manipulate a nation. We fought invaders for centuries but we can’t let our current leaders know it’s time to wind their necks back in?
This is why I think it’s a deliberate effort to not bother with Irish. FG/FF want to move away us away from anything that might remind us that we have a past of challenging regimes.
There’s an argument that this ‘die-hard attitude’ is actually counter productive. By forcing every child to learn the language in school it feels like a chore and is compared to the like of English or French, languages that are regularly spoken outside the classroom, by which measure it seems like a waste of time, or unnecessary stress, to many students. This breeds apathy and contempt.
An alternative was seen in Scotland recently. Give the students a foundation in school (word sounds, numbers, basic conversation) and the resources/options to learn as much more as they want. Then instill the language as an option to converse between themselves that adults don’t understand. This gives a new purpose to the language outside of the classroom and gives it the room to grow.
I think Ireland and Wales could both do with rethinking their approach if teenagers are becoming apathetic to these languages.
There was a great National Geographic s article on language and specifically dead and dying languages .
Peoples brains are wired to make it very difficult to learn dead and dying languages as they aren’t useful on a day to day basis for survival . Languages need daily use or be essential for the majority of people to easily learn or retain them.
Incredibly hard to bring a dead language back , English is infinitely more useful as a first language for us than Irish unfortunately.
To be fair to the Welsh, every time I have been there, I have heard the language spoken casually. Far more than Irish is spoken here which I have only heard a few times.
More Irish people speak Irish than Welsh people speak Welsh or Scottish people Gaelic. We’ve tried much harder here, probably because not being part of Britain is so important to us.
I wish we were like the Norwegians.
Perfect English and perfect Norwegian. Some German and French/Spanish knowledge for good measure.
And a fuckton of oil.
Only way it’ll ever happen is if you tie concrete financial incentives to it. Things like tax credits and rebates for being a fluent Irish speaker, jobs reserved solely for fluent Irish speakers and the like.
The reality is that while most people say that the language means a lot to them and that they’ve always been interested in learning it, most people don’t actually care enough to put effort into learning the language. If you put in place financial incentives to coax people into the right direction at least for the first 15-20 years or so you could actually have a base of viably fluent Irish speakers.
It’s funny in a sad way. I was Mr ‘fuck Irish as a language’ up until about 2-3 years ago because I saw absolutely no use for it.
The older I’m getting the more I think it’s a shame we don’t speak it.
Personally, I don’t see any benefits outside of cultural benefits. Like for example, French, Spanish, German and Chinese are all much more beneficial languages to have from a business point of view.
In saying that, I pity the way in which I was taught and it was managed. I don’t think it’s so much as too late for me to learn it. But I don’t have a gusto for doing so at current. Part of the problem I suppose!
I wonder if the fact that it isn’t compulsory is the reason more Welsh people actually speak Welsh than Irish people speak our language.
They need to end the compulsion in school. If 90% hate the subject when they leave school they carry that with them. If it wasn’t compulsory, that 90% would just be apathetic which would be a much healthier place to start.
it faded out, it will fade back in. it doesnt require laws or bureaucracy for an individual to learn or teach their children any language. “pass the bainne” “shut the fuinneog” (fwin-yog) etc, also music of course helps [in garren na bhile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE2CY6szlhU&list=LL&index=36) [amach anoch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9TJMrKpe0k)
Don’t wait for the government to intervene, get in Duo Lingo and start teaching your kids now!
Problem is we hate being told what to do.
If they banned Irish the entire population would be fluent in a couple of months
We take Irish for granted, that’s all. It doesn’t need to be necessary for university access tbf.
This tweet says the Welsh Government is **plans to** force every kid to learn it. Our government has always forced kids to learn Irish. So how do we **not** have the same “die hard attitude”?
Irish should be an optional language after primary school. If you are passionate about it great, if you think it serves no practical purpose in your life that should be your perogative too.
There should absolutely be an adult literacy program for Irish (if there is it needs to be advertised better) sponsored by the government for people who would like to get back into it or even pick it up of they are immigrants.
If they did it right it might be a cool way for people who post on here about having no friends to meet people too and form those elusive adult friend circles.
I don’t get why BritNats (really just English more than “British) talk about how great Britain and British culture is, but don’t want to preserve the linguistic side of its culture.
There’s far more languages spoken in the UK than people realise. Just off the top of my head I can think of seven: English, Welsh, Scots, Cornish, Gaelic, Irish and Shelta. Eight if you include Manx.
But if you speak anything other than English in what used to be a linguistically teeming country, you hate the UK according to BritNats.