Unfortunately I think it’s par for the course and represents the horrible reality of the two tier society.
This gives the power of whether someone isolates following covid to the employer.
Generalising a bit (well a lot), but: –
1) Low paid warehouse worker – get in work unless you are near deaths door.
2) Middle earning office worker – stay away and WFH.
Who does this benefit?
The question I have to ask, seemingly a lot of people on this sub, if not now, when? When is it acceptable to stop the state micro managing aspects of our lives on a daily basis? I for one am absolutely delighted they’ve finally gotten rid of these ridiculous rules.
Now for the lockdown enthusiasts, assuming Wales and Scotland keep covid passes and masks, surely their cases and deaths will be well below England in the coming months! Surely!!
It absolutely baffles me that people can look at Scotland and Wales and their covid passes and other nonsense over Christmas, whilst simultaneously having worse case rates than England, then with a straight face argue for more such restrictions in England. Either wilfully ignorant, disingenuous or frankly downright stupid and cannot read data.
After 2 years & “ it’s only 2 weeks to flatten the curve”. Tried it all , time to end . Looking forward to spending more time in uk again , Sweden has been such a sanctuary through out all this.
Neither.
It isn’t brave because there is no risk to the people deciding.
It isn’t stupid either because anyone who wants to continue to follow it can and those that don’t already don’t.
So it’s just nothing really.
That’s been the problem with our whole response to covid: its all meh.
There are a lot of people confusing quarantine restrictions with overbearing government powers.
I think we need to collectively unclench our bumholes
Omicron has already been replaced by a new variant of Omicron. Pi and Rho will follow and we simply have to hope that they are even less impactful than an already (in the context of our antibody prevalence) largely uneventful Omicron. Sure, people will panic about case numbers but they are largely irrelevant at this stage.
There will be a new wave, with restrictions or not, and this will not be a policy failure, it’s just reality.
We’re now at the endemic phase.
Omicron gives cross immunity to Delta(which is now vanishingly rare)
98% of us have antibodies.
85% of us are double dosed.
65% are boosted.
There is nothing to say right now more restrictions are needed, or would be needed in future, but of course that may change.
All I will say is that the people who are saying at every step of unlocking “OMG do you want a new wave!!!” is that they need to calm TF down. It’s unhelpful, hyperbolic and panicky.
This is my concern
at the moment if you test positive you don’t go to work your employer can’t make you go to work because the government says you can’t this is then treated different to normal sick as it’s not your choice
When the rules change and you ring work and say I tested for covid are they going to say we need you in are you fit enough to work now if you don’t go in this will be normal sick as you had a choice but if you do go in and give it to someone else who has no vaccinations and they are bad that’s the problem
Government: tries to ban protest and many other authoritarian laws
Populace: I sleep
Government: please isolate and wear masks to save lives
Populace: Is this *literally* 1984 ???? 🤡
The step needs to happen and I’m not opposed to freedoms coming back. However, I think it’s naive to say going back to pre pandemic will make everything good and dandy when the past 2 years have highlighted some issues that the government ought to be assessing and taking steps to correct/improve.
Some examples, SSP and sick leave aren’t good enough (because shockingly, it doesn’t need to be covid in the middle of a pandemic for someone to feel crummy enough to need to rest up), access to and quality of education for children is an issue, and levels of mental health support for both children and adults haven’t been sufficient for years.
To answer the question the article poses, imo it’s neither stupid or brave to end the rule, but it is certainly stupid to not take the opportunity to do an analysis of the past 2 years and reassess certain aspects of the direction this country has been heading in.
To answer a second question, yes I am stupid for even entertaining for a moment that they would bother doing such an activity, or even give a straight answer about whether they would.
Stupid.
Boris is feeling the pressure and to shore up support he’s giving into his back benchers demands
So I’m pretty anti lockdown except as an absolute last resort because of all the harm it does but like removing the need to isolate after a positive test is a bit far. These are people that actively know they are ill. We kind of do need a better culture around sick pay and staying at home if you are actively ill.
Edit in case tone doesn’t come off correctly in text form. By a bit far I mean really extreme.
I am concerned mostly because of the vaccine efficacy rate dropping after a certain time, and the long term neurological effects of long covid. Because the main symptoms people notice affect the respiratory tract, a lot of people think losing your taste and smell is a part of that, but it’s actually a neurological symptom that indicates that covid is also affecting your brain. We don’t know how this will affect people in the long term yet. The brain is our most important organ, without it we aren’t anything but meat. This is a serious concern and it should be more widely discussed. It should also be noted, that most people who die from covid die because of an overload of cytokines in the brain, which eventually starts to shut down your organs due to the overactive immune response. It’s part of the reason why putting people on ventilators as a last resort had a lower than was intuitive success rate.
Everyone that’s saying it’s a mild cold does not understand what the virus even is or what it does to the body.
I can’t imagine what it feels like to be so vulnerable that not even vaccines work on you, yet the country is deciding to stop even isolation if you’re sick with covid – at a time when infections are rife. I’ve never known as many people with covid than at any time throughout the pandemic.
How do you even muster the courage to do your food shopping, or pop to the shop for basics?
Absolute nightmare for these people and my thoughts go out to them.
Not only that, but have we not learnt our lessons about variants and the effect they have when you just decide to let infections run rampant?
The government have sold the pot that they were pissing in .
People will continue to catch the virus and die for years, were at the point where further intervention may be less effective and more damaging to society on a whole.
Removing the rules also means Boris and co don’t have to worry about being caught breaking them again.
The restrictions are a massively divisive issue. Made 100% worse when somehow it became a political one and not personal health. They were pushing for a redline and found it with mandates. Simply did not expect the pushback to be sustained.
Somehow
Riots are ok but only “agreeable” ones. Families can fall apart over third party account ,media, politics. That you could persecute a specific group of people openly or without consequence. Your personal health is not private.
I’m sorry to anyone with a genuine concern of covid. It’s not going away. People need to live their lives and that requires a balance. Currently the data does not justify the measures. That could change and so can the approach. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, all of the time. There are many deaths but do discount those with broken lives too.
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Unfortunately I think it’s par for the course and represents the horrible reality of the two tier society.
This gives the power of whether someone isolates following covid to the employer.
Generalising a bit (well a lot), but: –
1) Low paid warehouse worker – get in work unless you are near deaths door.
2) Middle earning office worker – stay away and WFH.
Who does this benefit?
The question I have to ask, seemingly a lot of people on this sub, if not now, when? When is it acceptable to stop the state micro managing aspects of our lives on a daily basis? I for one am absolutely delighted they’ve finally gotten rid of these ridiculous rules.
Now for the lockdown enthusiasts, assuming Wales and Scotland keep covid passes and masks, surely their cases and deaths will be well below England in the coming months! Surely!!
It absolutely baffles me that people can look at Scotland and Wales and their covid passes and other nonsense over Christmas, whilst simultaneously having worse case rates than England, then with a straight face argue for more such restrictions in England. Either wilfully ignorant, disingenuous or frankly downright stupid and cannot read data.
After 2 years & “ it’s only 2 weeks to flatten the curve”. Tried it all , time to end . Looking forward to spending more time in uk again , Sweden has been such a sanctuary through out all this.
Neither.
It isn’t brave because there is no risk to the people deciding.
It isn’t stupid either because anyone who wants to continue to follow it can and those that don’t already don’t.
So it’s just nothing really.
That’s been the problem with our whole response to covid: its all meh.
There are a lot of people confusing quarantine restrictions with overbearing government powers.
I think we need to collectively unclench our bumholes
Omicron has already been replaced by a new variant of Omicron. Pi and Rho will follow and we simply have to hope that they are even less impactful than an already (in the context of our antibody prevalence) largely uneventful Omicron. Sure, people will panic about case numbers but they are largely irrelevant at this stage.
There will be a new wave, with restrictions or not, and this will not be a policy failure, it’s just reality.
We’re now at the endemic phase.
Omicron gives cross immunity to Delta(which is now vanishingly rare)
98% of us have antibodies.
85% of us are double dosed.
65% are boosted.
There is nothing to say right now more restrictions are needed, or would be needed in future, but of course that may change.
All I will say is that the people who are saying at every step of unlocking “OMG do you want a new wave!!!” is that they need to calm TF down. It’s unhelpful, hyperbolic and panicky.
This is my concern
at the moment if you test positive you don’t go to work your employer can’t make you go to work because the government says you can’t this is then treated different to normal sick as it’s not your choice
When the rules change and you ring work and say I tested for covid are they going to say we need you in are you fit enough to work now if you don’t go in this will be normal sick as you had a choice but if you do go in and give it to someone else who has no vaccinations and they are bad that’s the problem
Government: tries to ban protest and many other authoritarian laws
Populace: I sleep
Government: please isolate and wear masks to save lives
Populace: Is this *literally* 1984 ???? 🤡
The step needs to happen and I’m not opposed to freedoms coming back. However, I think it’s naive to say going back to pre pandemic will make everything good and dandy when the past 2 years have highlighted some issues that the government ought to be assessing and taking steps to correct/improve.
Some examples, SSP and sick leave aren’t good enough (because shockingly, it doesn’t need to be covid in the middle of a pandemic for someone to feel crummy enough to need to rest up), access to and quality of education for children is an issue, and levels of mental health support for both children and adults haven’t been sufficient for years.
To answer the question the article poses, imo it’s neither stupid or brave to end the rule, but it is certainly stupid to not take the opportunity to do an analysis of the past 2 years and reassess certain aspects of the direction this country has been heading in.
To answer a second question, yes I am stupid for even entertaining for a moment that they would bother doing such an activity, or even give a straight answer about whether they would.
Stupid.
Boris is feeling the pressure and to shore up support he’s giving into his back benchers demands
So I’m pretty anti lockdown except as an absolute last resort because of all the harm it does but like removing the need to isolate after a positive test is a bit far. These are people that actively know they are ill. We kind of do need a better culture around sick pay and staying at home if you are actively ill.
Edit in case tone doesn’t come off correctly in text form. By a bit far I mean really extreme.
I am concerned mostly because of the vaccine efficacy rate dropping after a certain time, and the long term neurological effects of long covid. Because the main symptoms people notice affect the respiratory tract, a lot of people think losing your taste and smell is a part of that, but it’s actually a neurological symptom that indicates that covid is also affecting your brain. We don’t know how this will affect people in the long term yet. The brain is our most important organ, without it we aren’t anything but meat. This is a serious concern and it should be more widely discussed. It should also be noted, that most people who die from covid die because of an overload of cytokines in the brain, which eventually starts to shut down your organs due to the overactive immune response. It’s part of the reason why putting people on ventilators as a last resort had a lower than was intuitive success rate.
Everyone that’s saying it’s a mild cold does not understand what the virus even is or what it does to the body.
I can’t imagine what it feels like to be so vulnerable that not even vaccines work on you, yet the country is deciding to stop even isolation if you’re sick with covid – at a time when infections are rife. I’ve never known as many people with covid than at any time throughout the pandemic.
How do you even muster the courage to do your food shopping, or pop to the shop for basics?
Absolute nightmare for these people and my thoughts go out to them.
Not only that, but have we not learnt our lessons about variants and the effect they have when you just decide to let infections run rampant?
The government have sold the pot that they were pissing in .
People will continue to catch the virus and die for years, were at the point where further intervention may be less effective and more damaging to society on a whole.
Removing the rules also means Boris and co don’t have to worry about being caught breaking them again.
The restrictions are a massively divisive issue. Made 100% worse when somehow it became a political one and not personal health. They were pushing for a redline and found it with mandates. Simply did not expect the pushback to be sustained.
Somehow
Riots are ok but only “agreeable” ones. Families can fall apart over third party account ,media, politics. That you could persecute a specific group of people openly or without consequence. Your personal health is not private.
I’m sorry to anyone with a genuine concern of covid. It’s not going away. People need to live their lives and that requires a balance. Currently the data does not justify the measures. That could change and so can the approach. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, all of the time. There are many deaths but do discount those with broken lives too.