I hate animal testing, and we should do research into finding a possible alternative (though I have no idea what it would be), but I also don’t think we can do without it yet.
It’s also not more inhumane than our meat production…
Yes. And voting „no“ was clearly the right thing to do. I can‘t stand the way of how the initiative was advertised. I think every single person agrees that pictures of monkeys with electrodes in their brains are sad BUT it‘s either this or pictures of children who are dying of cancer because they don‘t have access to good medicine. Currently, there are no real alternatives to experiments in vivo. Get over it.
Animal testing is more ethical than meat consumption. The meat industry is less humane than animal testing, it emits loads of greenhouse gasses and many people consume meat in qunatities that are harmful for their health. Animal testing is essential for healthcare.
Hear me out here, please.
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Why not do testing on **violent criminals**, including, but not limited to pedophiles, rapists etc etc?
Give everyone a fair warning and let the testing begin. Why not? They chose a life of VIOLENT crime. Why not return the favor and have them be useful in society?
Well, the initiative wouldn’t only have banned animal testing in Switzerland but also prohibited the import of anything that is created with animal testing in the future. The consequence would have been that basically not a single new medication (and a lot of other things) could have been introduced in Switzerland. (Because the pharma companies certainly wouldn’t have stopped animal testing worldwide just to be able to sell their stuff in Switzerland.) So no more medical progress for Swiss people. Quite obviously why the initiative in that extreme form wasn’t accepted.
I heard the initiative guy on the radio a few weeks ago. Certainly well-intended but also clearly not enough in touch with reality.
One argument I didn’t saw during the discussion was about treatments and live improvements for animals. If your pet needs drugs, surgery or a medical device. This has to be tested before. If you use a treatment without proper testing on an animal you are performing an illegal test.
Same applied for improvement of the living conditions of farm animals.
because the legislation was shit
Swiss voters overwhelmingly reject ban of actual healthcare
In other news: most Swiss voters are not short-sighted dumbasses.
What’s the alternative to animal/human testing in the pharmaceutical field? Create a drug, put it on the market without testing and inchalla?
Or maybe we should all get treated through voodoo magic, homeopathy, or other *alternative medecines* bullshit.
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It was poorly constructed.
And rightfully so
***on animal and human testing**
yeah cause it was just stupid
Money > all
I hate animal testing, and we should do research into finding a possible alternative (though I have no idea what it would be), but I also don’t think we can do without it yet.
It’s also not more inhumane than our meat production…
Yes. And voting „no“ was clearly the right thing to do. I can‘t stand the way of how the initiative was advertised. I think every single person agrees that pictures of monkeys with electrodes in their brains are sad BUT it‘s either this or pictures of children who are dying of cancer because they don‘t have access to good medicine. Currently, there are no real alternatives to experiments in vivo. Get over it.
Animal testing is more ethical than meat consumption. The meat industry is less humane than animal testing, it emits loads of greenhouse gasses and many people consume meat in qunatities that are harmful for their health. Animal testing is essential for healthcare.
Hear me out here, please.
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Why not do testing on **violent criminals**, including, but not limited to pedophiles, rapists etc etc?
Give everyone a fair warning and let the testing begin. Why not? They chose a life of VIOLENT crime. Why not return the favor and have them be useful in society?
Well, the initiative wouldn’t only have banned animal testing in Switzerland but also prohibited the import of anything that is created with animal testing in the future. The consequence would have been that basically not a single new medication (and a lot of other things) could have been introduced in Switzerland. (Because the pharma companies certainly wouldn’t have stopped animal testing worldwide just to be able to sell their stuff in Switzerland.) So no more medical progress for Swiss people. Quite obviously why the initiative in that extreme form wasn’t accepted.
I heard the initiative guy on the radio a few weeks ago. Certainly well-intended but also clearly not enough in touch with reality.
One argument I didn’t saw during the discussion was about treatments and live improvements for animals. If your pet needs drugs, surgery or a medical device. This has to be tested before. If you use a treatment without proper testing on an animal you are performing an illegal test.
Same applied for improvement of the living conditions of farm animals.
because the legislation was shit
Swiss voters overwhelmingly reject ban of actual healthcare
In other news: most Swiss voters are not short-sighted dumbasses.
What’s the alternative to animal/human testing in the pharmaceutical field? Create a drug, put it on the market without testing and inchalla?
Or maybe we should all get treated through voodoo magic, homeopathy, or other *alternative medecines* bullshit.