Poland won’t allow Ukraine to join EU without resolving historical issues – Polish Prime Minister

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/poland-won-t-allow-ukraine-to-join-eu-without-1725037240.html

by hloroform11

30 comments

  1. Good.

    Oh sorry I’m supposed to forget the massacre of my people and the fact they still use a phrase coined by a Nazi for their military.

  2. Es ist nicht die Zeit um die Historischen Probleme aufzuklären. Das Thema ist zu komplex und würde evtl sich negativ auf den Krieg auswirken.

  3. Ukraine will do it right next day after German apologies for concentration camps. OR! Germany should be reapply for EU membership by new Polish rules.

  4. Yeah. This shitty blackmail again. Time to reach some uranium. Or open the border to fleed away from Ukraine, and let this hypocrite Europe to deal with putin. Only Ukraine has black stories in history, no, not any country more. Lets dig it right now, during the war, while we bleeding.

  5. Kinda fair, ukraine had issues even before the war, getting into the eu requires at least a decade for countries that are in such a state,

  6. If my country asks for apologies, allows exhumations to be continued and condemns far right leaders that caused the massacre (it should have been done waaaay earlier, whether we like it or no), will Ukraine get apologies for a period of oppression and polonization that happened between the Great War and WW2? It’s even possible to go further and recall the Treaty of Riga and how it affected my country.

    I’m not trying to deny the massacre or justify it as nothing can justify the atrocities commited by UPA/OUN. I just don’t want the entire period to be considered one sided, where my country is the sole oppressor.

  7. There will be Hungary looooong before Poland.
    And given how long it will take Ukraine to join the EU, likely all the veterans of the rebels will die out by that time.

    OUN was not a governmental organization and Ukraine itself was under the Soviet/russian occupation back then, so there is no responsibility that Ukrainian government can carry for the acts of the non-governmental actors during occupation. The closest (imperfect) analogy is countries apologizing for the units which were formed by the Nazis once they occupied the countries. Which is kinda ridiculous.

    Likely the government will distance itself from the OUN after the war (right now they are considered to be veterans), and it won’t even be difficult, since there will be a bunch of new living and recently fallen heroes to celebrate.

  8. Personally, I’m fully behind this. Some might argue about the timing, but to me, turning your back on history is a Russia thing, not a civilized country thing. For Ukraine who is fighting to free itself from Russian influence, there is no better time to do this than now. The same goes for Poland, which is also not innocent by any means, no country is.

    Germany is a great example of dealing with past issues. I work in a very diverse environment, and I interact with a lot of German people on a daily basis. If, for whatever reason, some historical topic happens to come up, they’re often so apologetic that I feel the need to reassure them that it’s fine, they didn’t do anything wrong personally, it’s their ancestors who did, and there were some heroes who didn’t, and it’s great that they acknowledge it as educated people. We can agree that bad things are bad, as stupid as it sounds. Interactions with Russians are much more limited, but I’ll just say that in my experience it’s much more “varied”. Even people I would least expect such things from would casually say some very weird things that would make me think we live in very different worlds.

  9. The Ukrainians are of the position that Ukraine and Poland have both done cruel things to each other at various times in their shared history. That is a a reasonable basis for further discussion and reconciliation on these subjects.

    The Ukrainians don’t deny cruelties perpetuated against the Poles. The problem is that there are a significant amount of Poles who are pursuing a maximalist negotiating position- where the Ukrainians must concede on all points of Polish ultimatums, and discussion of Polish cruelties against Ukrainians is not on the table. 

    If Poland is going to use its EU position as leverage to force Ukraine to take positions that are not genuinely felt by Ukrainians, it only sets the stage for Ukraine to repudiate those positions as soon as Poland’s leverage is gone and perhaps even one day return that same sort of treatment to Poland. 

    There is a real opportunity to heal the historical wounds between Poland and Ukraine, which is being squandered with this sort of political theatre. I’d have more confidence about the good faith negotiations between Poland and Ukraine if not for the previous negotiations when farmers shut down the border between Poland and Ukraine.

    In that situation more than a few Polish politicians seemed to treat the situation as an opportunity to make a name for themselves rather than question why “farmers” were also blocking shipments of military aid going into Ukraine. 

  10. It’s a response to the Ukrainian minister of foreign affairs stating this week that there is no point in digging in the past and we should look to the future. For Poland, the issue will be resolved when the victims will be exhumated and properly buried. My great-grandfather was murdered and no one knows where his body is. It’s not about revenge, just finally closing this chapter. I have tons of love for Ukraine and Ukrainians and so does my grandmother who had to escape from Ukrainian nationalists. No one sane can categorize an entire nation.

  11. It seems like an obvious thing at this point. On my behalf: sorry for the past, guys.

  12. Tusk (allegedly the biggest sell-out in Polish politics) said something that PiS was afraid to say for the last 8 years 😂 How the turntables.

  15. I don’t understand why Ukraine still holds abominations like OUN and Bandera in any esteem. Also, this is probably the only case where Russia and Poland have the same position. And when they both agree on something, Ukraine should know better.

  16. I really don’t understand why Ukraine doesn’t stops this useless discussion. Poland’s demands are pretty normal and historical and juristically normal. The only countries that deny victims of mass murder to be properly buried are countries that support the mass murder.

  17. Doesn’t matter, no new country will join the EU untill the issues with countries such as Hungary and Poland are solved.

  18. Unfortunately not with our current government. They’re too stupid and ignorant to properly resolve the issue.

    Btw, Poland isn’t innocent too. So both sides must do all necessary things.

  19. Sorry for doomposting but i’ve wrote the same post a year and a half ago and nothing has changed so far which makes me fairly certain absolutely nothing is not going to change anytime soon.

    Ukrainian’s government “friendship and gratitude” was just a political ploy for Polish government and public (it worked marvelously, as there are still Polish politicians who put Ukraine’s interests over Poland’s) and it ended as soon as Poland ran out of military equipment it could transfer.

    Ukrainian government had the last 2 years to quickly resolve the issue, instead they chose to ignore it and decided to ruin Polish reputation of Ukraine by retarded speeches and claims such as: equating horrendously brutal genocide of 60,000-120,000 Poles to postwar expulsion which was caused by said genocide (Kuleba) or trying to shift the blame for it on Polish reprisals, claiming that parts of Poland’s eastern provinces are righfully Ukrainian territories (latest Kuleba speech), loudly exlaiming that Poland is a Russian ally during UN speech (Zelensky), or claiming that Poland choking out Ukraine with export bans when in reality their Black Sea trade volume was already back to 2021 levels (Zelensky, Kuleba, Ukrainian ambassador & ministers).

    Thats is why both old and new Polish government started to up their rethoric – blackmail is the only thing that will actually get the job done. They already tried friendship/gratitude and “we need more time approach”.

    If Ukraine doesn’t resolve the problem of Soviet mentality where only the strongest matter and the rest can be disregarded it’s journey to EU membership will end as swiftly as it started.

  20. How about the other historical issues, like territories their commie brothers, now worst enemies took from their current neighbours and they didnt have the decency to give back after their independence?! Every nation having territories held by ukraine should just postpone their admission to the EU until these “historical issues” are also solved!

  21. Past is past but Ukraine must abandon fascination and worshipping nazis. It’s quite hilarious how they put genocide bastards as their national heroes. Can’t join EU with it. Nazism is not compatible with EU core values.

  23. Unpopular opinion but regardless of the outcome of the war, Ukraine should not be allowed into EU for at least 10 years, the country is VERY corrupt, rivalling Russia on the corruption index

  25. So Poland is going to apologize for the ethnic cleaning of Ukrainians after WW2?

    And what about the “historical issues” Poland failed to resolve with Germany? Now that they are in the stronger position, they demand some kind of recompense, while Poland is constantly picking on Germany?

  26. Whatever. Can we all focus on pushing Russia out of Ukraine? 🇺🇦

  27. Truth to be told i dont want ukraine in eu. Almost every encounter or getting now with them unfortunately showed quickly awful morals and views. Homophobia, racism, treatment of women etc…maybe I’m unlucky but thats what ukrainians showed me.

  28. Poland has been demanding the exhumation of the victims of the Volhynian massacre since Ukraine regained its independence. This is sick, Ukraine is building monuments and honoring UPA criminals and meanwhile many Polish families cannot bury their loved ones….

  30. I thought this drama has been already resolved long time ago, but Polish Nationalists can’t really fuck off, can they?

    This will be difficult, because if I remember it good it’s about Stepan Bandera. For Ukraine he’s the Hero, and for Poland he’s the Villain. Such a pain in the ass for both countries -_-

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