Harmony Korine Says Hollywood Is Starting to ‘Crumble Creatively’: ‘Movies Are No Longer the Dominant Art Form’
https://variety.com/2024/film/festivals/harmony-korine-hollywood-crumble-creatively-movies-not-dominant-art-form-baby-invasion-1236126030/
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> “Hollywood needs to encourage — they don’t need to, but they would be smart to — encourage the youth, the kids. Why we’re starting to see Hollywood crumble creatively is because they’re losing a lot of the most creative minds to gaming and to streaming,” he said. “They’re so locked in on convention and then all those kids who are so creative are now just going to find other pathways and go to other places because movies are no longer the dominant art form.”
He is right. The issue with Hollywood is they have a system to weed out lesser talents, but it’s so rife with corruption and nepotism that people with no artistic skill can fast track to the top, making the entire system pointless.
Few care about the quality of work, what matters is you don’t hurt anyone’s feelings and paint by the numbers.
Awesome quote. He’s 100% right about the lack of educational investment in the future of our film creators.
If you think that movies are better creative vehicles for storytelling than the hour-long mini movies format of streaming, you are an idiot.
And if you think that gaming carries no creative storytelling, you are also an idiot.
That’s like complaining that computers don’t take up entire rooms anymore.
It’s great. Already we are seeing sign of that in Milk & Serial on YouTube. They don’t have to go through the system – with a great idea, hard word, tech and distribution you can make great stories without the need to humiliate yourself going to Hollywood
How does this complaint reconcile with making AGGRO DR1FT and Baby Invasion
I’ve been trying to provide Hollywood with creative ideas. Cannot find a way in. That’s on them.
Deadpool and Wolverine made over a billion. I’m not a fan of today’s cinema, but there is money to be made still.
Harmony’s movies are terrible.
As in all things, follow the money.
Studios used to value prestige, Art, being culturally significant, that is no longer a goal, if it happens, great, but hard cash for investors is better.
AI will shift things to small filmmakers, it will get interesting for sure.
He can be kinda an arrogant brat… but he’s super smart and completely correct..
Shows suck, movies suck, most games suck, most celebrities on every platform suck, and all the bro producers with no creativity are running the show.
what’s the dominant art form, I’m wondering.
The video essay? That’s what people are watching on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok, yeah?
Absolutely, how to create in a restricted environment.
So for about the past decade producers realized that the real money was in TV all along. The ROI on movies just isn’t comparable to the amount of $$$ from TV especially now with streaming.
Movies used to be a prestige thing but nowadays it’s all about metrics and you can’t come up with an argument to invest in a movie vs a TV show. It would be malpractice for their shareholders.
To me this is just an elite group that held so much power and sway culturally and economically for so long and now they’re pissy that their piece of the pie is getting smaller.
There’s more shit to do now; more ways to entertain and create. I think that’s a good thing. Like publishing, music, and pretty much every other industry, Hollywood needs to adapt to the post internet world.
And as a side note I’ve seen some really good movies lately so it’s not like film has become irrelevant. If you want to maintain your cultural impact up your game.
Part of me thinks this is an old man yelling at a cloud kinda thing and that’s so funny coming from Korine. Now he’s making shitty art and selling it to other millionaires for ridiculous amounts.
When have films been about art? Like sure, you could argue several indie films and passion projects probably fit, but almost literally every film since the inception of film has been about raising funds to make the film, then making enough to turn a profit. This doesn’t make it NOT art, but I would argue it is far more closely related to a business exchange. Any person can make high level art on a canvas of any type; almost no one can fund and film their perfect vision of a film without spending millions.
When have films been about art? Like sure, you could argue several indie films and passion projects probably fit, but almost literally every film since the inception of film has been about raising funds to make the film, then making enough to turn a profit. This doesn’t make it NOT art, but I would argue it is far more closely related to a business exchange. Any person can make high level art on a canvas of any type; almost no one can fund and film their perfect vision of a film without spending millions.
I don’t fucking buy it. YouTube and other platforms have made it where you can cut your teeth in filmmaking without going to school or spending years as a key grip.
Also his films are fucking terrible. Awful.
Hollywood is “starting” to crumble creatively. Gotcha.
Hasn’t he been bitching about the end of modern film for a few decades now?
What is being said now that wasn’t said in the same industry 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and sixty years ago? Damn near the exact same stuff right? Ffs nothing more self important than somebody in the movie industry crying about Hollywood creativity.
Yes, video games are the dominant art form.
Back in my day we made real creative films where we went out into the alley and humped trash bags
Less Citizen Kane, more Ow, My Balls
Hollywood understood 25+ years ago that tv had overtaken film as the dominate art form. It doesn’t make film irrelevant but it does make it less important in an industry that is about the confluence of art and commerce.
That’s what happens when you have studios that only focus on spending hundreds of millions to make the next big blockbuster
Now it’s TikTok and YouTube shorts. If you can *actually* get someone to sit through a movie, at the very best it would be in the comfort of their own home streaming it to the TV so you can pause and rewind, eat your own food, smoke drink and take a crap whenever you need to.
Movies have gone completely downhill, it’s all remakes of 80’s movies that completely RUIN the original, or a Star Wars movie, or a Marvel movie. Where are the comedies circa 2005 like Anchorman, 40 year old virgin? They just don’t make things like that anymore.
There are only a small handful of people left that actually want to venture out and pay the high costs of the theater experience to see a movie not many people care about anyway.
A 3+ hour movie in a theater without an intermission (even with one) is ridiculous. Nobody wants to sit through it anymore.
Even when directors do have talent, they rarely get to work on the studios biggest projects because the budgets and risks are so high the suits feel they need control the product being produced. Film directors are just turning into glorified project managers and talented, art driven directors just aren’t willing to work in that environment.