If the polling results, across all companies comes true, surely it must go down as one of the biggest fumbles in Irish political history?
Managing to climb from 14% in 2014 to 36% in 2022, and then fall all the way to 18%, without ever being in government.
Even as a Sinn fein voter, this downfall will be studied by scholars for generations
Not a good luck in the run up
There are so many FG TDs dipping out that I could easily see them being unable to convert this
They’re too easy with changing their position in accordance with the latest opinion poll.
Nobody knows what they stand for. If anything.
Call me ignorant all you want and you’ll probably be right, but I feel like I never see Mary Lou anymore.
SF couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery. They are more preoccupied with LARPing in the rain and getting hungover teenagers and local headers to do leaflet drops.
The only poll worth anything is the election.
Knew something was up at the last election when people said they were voting for sinn fein and couldn’t name any candidates.
The only question you need to ask a SF canvasser is this.
If SF had been granted their perceived God given right to coalition with FF in 2020 (there was honestly SF loons out there proclaiming that they had been robbed and that MLMD was the real Taoiseach), tell me how we would be in a different position today in terms of
– house prices
– immigration
– inflation
– the cost of fuel, gas and electricity
– minimum unit pricing on alcohol
SF supported EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT MEASURE that contributed to the above myriad of crises.
Lockdown, ending direct provision, Ukraine refugee intake, Russia sanctions, climate change nonsense- they didn’t divert from the current government on a single one of those issues. Not once.
Also- ask them why its grand to be Billy Big Bollocks on the sidelines demanding that the Israeli ambassador be expelled, when there is absolutely ZERO chance they would have advocated for this if they were in a coalition last October.
Enjoy being ruled by FF FG forever then, I guess 🤷♂️
Polls are meaningless and the Sunday Indo rig theirs anyway.
50% for the government. Reminder that all the “No more FFFG ever” you see online is… pretty far from where the country is.
We have every variety of the exact same party. Wish we had actual alternatives.
I suspect she hasn’t fully recovered from her illnesses. She’s been largely absent from public debate, which, married to SF’s dodgy policy positions is a major weakness.
Again?
That’s surprising I genuinely thought the nod and the wink to the CoolockSaysNo people with the migration policy shift and the reupping of housing rhetoric would work for them in clawing back a few percentage points.
She’s just not as interesting as Micheál Martin.
Womp womp. It was never real anyway. A purely poll based coalition. They could still reach govt in a multiparty coalition that features Fianna Fáil but they’d really end up annihilating their base forever with the compromises that would require, so extremely unlikely. Pretty sure their top tier TDs don’t actually want to be in govt for that reason.
It’s such a strange dynamic in this country. Purely on an anecdotal basis, everyone I speak to about Irish politics always says the same thing: that they are sick of the current government. Yet when it comes to a GE they always get voted back in.
Do people really believe the current gov can actually fix things in this country? Being realistic, are there any other parties big enough to form a government? If not then why not take a chance on giving current opposition party a go?
I’m more interested in just getting someone else in at this point, the current two parties have not done enough to improve the lives of the Irish people. In my eyes that have failed at every avenue and the thoughts of them being back in again sends a shiver down my spine.
I find it hard to understand tbh, I thought their support for Palestine would have been worth a few points at least. Their policy on migration is where the government needs to get to IMO. Surprised that the polls are playing out like this.
Mods aren’t aware this poll is even out seemingly had a post deleted claiming there was no poll.
A big chunk of Sinn Féin’s support at the last general election was a protest vote from a disaffected section of the electorate fed up with the establishment parties. Probably many now see what SF are: bluffers without any real radical agenda, only interested in legitimising the Adams strategy of capitulation and sellout.
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A part of me would like to have a way of finding people who have been complaining about being unable to buy or rent yet vote FFG in this election, just so I can track them down and laugh at them when they are still in that situation years from now. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Party proclaiming radical socialist policies that people want and need get close to power. Party begins to soften on those radical policies because close to power. People lose enthusiasm.
The only criticism from others that led me to doubt my support of Sinn Féin was they will end up like Finne Fáil, Fine Gael etc.
I don’t want Kier Starmer I want Jeremy Corbyn
Everyone commenting expecting a completely linear rise and fall of political parties have zero perspective of history. Great to see all the sub-reddit political theorists out in force!
This is a troubling poll for anyone on the left. If this was an exit poll we’d be looking at a FFG coalition backed up by rural conservative independents.
Much of the Green parties plans for the coming years will go up in smoke. I can forsee public transport budgets being slashed for more road protects and I can see the agricultural industry completely ignore its emission targets and get away with it.
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POLL: Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks (August 29-30, MoE 2.6%)
* Fine Gael 25 (+1)
* Fianna Fáil 21 (+1)
* Sinn Féin 18 (-1)
* Social Democrats 4 (-1)
* Greens 4
* Labour 4
* Aontú 3 (-1)
* PBP-Solidarity 2
* Independents/others 19 (+1)
2 year trend:
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Mary is history if those polls pan out.
If the polling results, across all companies comes true, surely it must go down as one of the biggest fumbles in Irish political history?
Managing to climb from 14% in 2014 to 36% in 2022, and then fall all the way to 18%, without ever being in government.
Even as a Sinn fein voter, this downfall will be studied by scholars for generations
Not a good luck in the run up
There are so many FG TDs dipping out that I could easily see them being unable to convert this
They’re too easy with changing their position in accordance with the latest opinion poll.
Nobody knows what they stand for. If anything.
Call me ignorant all you want and you’ll probably be right, but I feel like I never see Mary Lou anymore.
SF couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery. They are more preoccupied with LARPing in the rain and getting hungover teenagers and local headers to do leaflet drops.
The only poll worth anything is the election.
Knew something was up at the last election when people said they were voting for sinn fein and couldn’t name any candidates.
The only question you need to ask a SF canvasser is this.
If SF had been granted their perceived God given right to coalition with FF in 2020 (there was honestly SF loons out there proclaiming that they had been robbed and that MLMD was the real Taoiseach), tell me how we would be in a different position today in terms of
– house prices
– immigration
– inflation
– the cost of fuel, gas and electricity
– minimum unit pricing on alcohol
SF supported EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT MEASURE that contributed to the above myriad of crises.
Lockdown, ending direct provision, Ukraine refugee intake, Russia sanctions, climate change nonsense- they didn’t divert from the current government on a single one of those issues. Not once.
Also- ask them why its grand to be Billy Big Bollocks on the sidelines demanding that the Israeli ambassador be expelled, when there is absolutely ZERO chance they would have advocated for this if they were in a coalition last October.
Enjoy being ruled by FF FG forever then, I guess 🤷♂️
Polls are meaningless and the Sunday Indo rig theirs anyway.
50% for the government. Reminder that all the “No more FFFG ever” you see online is… pretty far from where the country is.
We have every variety of the exact same party. Wish we had actual alternatives.
I suspect she hasn’t fully recovered from her illnesses. She’s been largely absent from public debate, which, married to SF’s dodgy policy positions is a major weakness.
Again?
That’s surprising I genuinely thought the nod and the wink to the CoolockSaysNo people with the migration policy shift and the reupping of housing rhetoric would work for them in clawing back a few percentage points.
She’s just not as interesting as Micheál Martin.
Womp womp. It was never real anyway. A purely poll based coalition. They could still reach govt in a multiparty coalition that features Fianna Fáil but they’d really end up annihilating their base forever with the compromises that would require, so extremely unlikely. Pretty sure their top tier TDs don’t actually want to be in govt for that reason.
It’s such a strange dynamic in this country. Purely on an anecdotal basis, everyone I speak to about Irish politics always says the same thing: that they are sick of the current government. Yet when it comes to a GE they always get voted back in.
Do people really believe the current gov can actually fix things in this country? Being realistic, are there any other parties big enough to form a government? If not then why not take a chance on giving current opposition party a go?
I’m more interested in just getting someone else in at this point, the current two parties have not done enough to improve the lives of the Irish people. In my eyes that have failed at every avenue and the thoughts of them being back in again sends a shiver down my spine.
I find it hard to understand tbh, I thought their support for Palestine would have been worth a few points at least. Their policy on migration is where the government needs to get to IMO. Surprised that the polls are playing out like this.
Mods aren’t aware this poll is even out seemingly had a post deleted claiming there was no poll.
A big chunk of Sinn Féin’s support at the last general election was a protest vote from a disaffected section of the electorate fed up with the establishment parties. Probably many now see what SF are: bluffers without any real radical agenda, only interested in legitimising the Adams strategy of capitulation and sellout.
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A part of me would like to have a way of finding people who have been complaining about being unable to buy or rent yet vote FFG in this election, just so I can track them down and laugh at them when they are still in that situation years from now. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Party proclaiming radical socialist policies that people want and need get close to power. Party begins to soften on those radical policies because close to power. People lose enthusiasm.
The only criticism from others that led me to doubt my support of Sinn Féin was they will end up like Finne Fáil, Fine Gael etc.
I don’t want Kier Starmer I want Jeremy Corbyn
Everyone commenting expecting a completely linear rise and fall of political parties have zero perspective of history. Great to see all the sub-reddit political theorists out in force!
This is a troubling poll for anyone on the left. If this was an exit poll we’d be looking at a FFG coalition backed up by rural conservative independents.
Much of the Green parties plans for the coming years will go up in smoke. I can forsee public transport budgets being slashed for more road protects and I can see the agricultural industry completely ignore its emission targets and get away with it.