> “Morally, the onus must be on councils to prevent motorists from contravening their motoring regulations. This is not the case at the moment.”
Morally, the onus is on the person in charge of 1 tonne or more of rolling metal to bloody well pay attention and plan ahead.
That said, if the council is *deliberately* making things unclear in order to gouge motorists that simply isn’t on.
There are bus lanes/gates in Glasgow that people bleat about all the time. There are road markings and warning signs two or more junctions ahead of them, which repeat all the way up to the start and where there are even bigger signs.
Yet people still get caught. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s got a fuck off great big solid white line, the only people to blame are the ignorant drivers.
This one again from the other week. The point of the small bus lane on one of the 2 turning lanes seems to be that it allows buses to skip to the front of the turning lanes and all it took is a bit of paint. If anyone else uses that bus lane then the buses will be blocking the only lane going straight(not turning) so it’s important that nobody else uses it.
The only people who should be in that tiny bus lane are the ones who are also skipping to the front passing everyone else queuing.
It does not make you look good if you’re getting caught multiple times using it. There’s no signs indicating it might not be an all day bus lane either.
Sure the council are making a lot of money from the camera but I don’t think it was intentional because to me the layout makes sense. Either way get caught once, it sucks but pay the £70 or so, and then you’d never get caught again.
Streetview link – https://goo.gl/maps/4Qkmpp1mnBZf6VoC6 I always think a big percentage of the fines raised should be spent on better signage/coloured tarmac etc in order to reduce infractions which is the goal right? If that lane was coloured blue/green/red/whatever the standard is then that might help?
I can see why it would be confusing, especially in queuing traffic and if the BUS LANE on the road was blocked by another vehicle/bus.
That blue bus lane sign in the middle would confuse me, I’d probably think that the lefthand straight on lane was the bus lane and then, trying to be a good citizen, would accidentally pull into the fucking bus lane.
That said – no bus lanes in anywhere I drive and I don’t do much city centre driving.
I contested this stupid thing successfully in 2019 when it went to adjudication after going through it on a motorcycle. The evidence I submitted is [here](https://imgur.com/a/rTu51Gh) in case it can help anyone else.
The biggest catch is that it’s right after two bus lanes that operate Mon-Fri and the only sign saying that it’s 24/7 is the small blue one in the middle of it, there’s nothing in advance at all.
I got caught in a bus lane that was about 3m long, and at a dead end (literally the only way NOT to go through the bus lane would have been a 3 point turn in the road) on some random back road in Bradford.
Of course, it had a camera.
They’re basically revenue generators for the council and they design them to catch you out.
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If this were about traffic management it wouldn’t be raising £400k in two and a half years.
Signage is the vital aspect of something such as this, not the fine. Most people want to avoid commiting an offence after all.
Just another stealth tax by a council.
I live a couple of miles from there and I can only see a couple of minor issues with the signage:
1. On the approach, the ‘Bus Lane’ should be in white on a blue background, not black text on white (it is a sign, not a destination)
2. The blue sign at the start of the bus lane should be positioned more to the right as it could be mistaken as being for the left hand turn (or show the lane hand slip lane on it as well)
I’ve driven in this area everyday for a year and to me it was quite clear on what is and isn’t a bus lane.
It’s always about collecting money. There was a speed camera installed in a small village near me, which are obviously there to stop people speeding. There was a story where the local councillor was complaining it wasn’t making enough money, rather than pleased the speeding problem had been stopped.
this tiny bus lane sounds like a “fine line” to me.
There’s a bus gate [(Street View) ](https://maps.app.goo.gl/VZBkgvLwEMLk24Wd8)in Central Birmingham which has caught lots of drivers. Aside from increasing the size of the signs (I don’t know if TSRGD allows them to), it’s hard to see what more BCC could do to deter drivers…
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> “Morally, the onus must be on councils to prevent motorists from contravening their motoring regulations. This is not the case at the moment.”
Morally, the onus is on the person in charge of 1 tonne or more of rolling metal to bloody well pay attention and plan ahead.
That said, if the council is *deliberately* making things unclear in order to gouge motorists that simply isn’t on.
There are bus lanes/gates in Glasgow that people bleat about all the time. There are road markings and warning signs two or more junctions ahead of them, which repeat all the way up to the start and where there are even bigger signs.
Yet people still get caught. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s got a fuck off great big solid white line, the only people to blame are the ignorant drivers.
This one again from the other week. The point of the small bus lane on one of the 2 turning lanes seems to be that it allows buses to skip to the front of the turning lanes and all it took is a bit of paint. If anyone else uses that bus lane then the buses will be blocking the only lane going straight(not turning) so it’s important that nobody else uses it.
The only people who should be in that tiny bus lane are the ones who are also skipping to the front passing everyone else queuing.
It does not make you look good if you’re getting caught multiple times using it. There’s no signs indicating it might not be an all day bus lane either.
Sure the council are making a lot of money from the camera but I don’t think it was intentional because to me the layout makes sense. Either way get caught once, it sucks but pay the £70 or so, and then you’d never get caught again.
Streetview link – https://goo.gl/maps/4Qkmpp1mnBZf6VoC6 I always think a big percentage of the fines raised should be spent on better signage/coloured tarmac etc in order to reduce infractions which is the goal right? If that lane was coloured blue/green/red/whatever the standard is then that might help?
I can see why it would be confusing, especially in queuing traffic and if the BUS LANE on the road was blocked by another vehicle/bus.
That blue bus lane sign in the middle would confuse me, I’d probably think that the lefthand straight on lane was the bus lane and then, trying to be a good citizen, would accidentally pull into the fucking bus lane.
That said – no bus lanes in anywhere I drive and I don’t do much city centre driving.
I contested this stupid thing successfully in 2019 when it went to adjudication after going through it on a motorcycle. The evidence I submitted is [here](https://imgur.com/a/rTu51Gh) in case it can help anyone else.
The biggest catch is that it’s right after two bus lanes that operate Mon-Fri and the only sign saying that it’s 24/7 is the small blue one in the middle of it, there’s nothing in advance at all.
Google street view of [the sign](https://goo.gl/maps/ozj53DvQctC1ocbN7) leading up to [the bus lane ](https://goo.gl/maps/H2AzTpCr4QyEvmhG6)to decide for yourself whether it’s unfair.
I got caught in a bus lane that was about 3m long, and at a dead end (literally the only way NOT to go through the bus lane would have been a 3 point turn in the road) on some random back road in Bradford.
Of course, it had a camera.
They’re basically revenue generators for the council and they design them to catch you out.
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If this were about traffic management it wouldn’t be raising £400k in two and a half years.
Signage is the vital aspect of something such as this, not the fine. Most people want to avoid commiting an offence after all.
Just another stealth tax by a council.
I live a couple of miles from there and I can only see a couple of minor issues with the signage:
1. On the approach, the ‘Bus Lane’ should be in white on a blue background, not black text on white (it is a sign, not a destination)
2. The blue sign at the start of the bus lane should be positioned more to the right as it could be mistaken as being for the left hand turn (or show the lane hand slip lane on it as well)
I’ve driven in this area everyday for a year and to me it was quite clear on what is and isn’t a bus lane.
It’s always about collecting money. There was a speed camera installed in a small village near me, which are obviously there to stop people speeding. There was a story where the local councillor was complaining it wasn’t making enough money, rather than pleased the speeding problem had been stopped.
this tiny bus lane sounds like a “fine line” to me.
There’s a bus gate [(Street View) ](https://maps.app.goo.gl/VZBkgvLwEMLk24Wd8)in Central Birmingham which has caught lots of drivers. Aside from increasing the size of the signs (I don’t know if TSRGD allows them to), it’s hard to see what more BCC could do to deter drivers…