Can’t wait for the “but we are right for objecting because….” and the “Well we don’t want THOSE types of homes to be built with THAT type of money..” posts to start rolling in.
Crazy that those people actually think they are making things better and not dramatically worse.
I bought in 2020. All building can now cease. Regards. Me
I’ve heard people around celbridge in particular complain about homes being built because “they won’t be nice to look at”
The problem is much, much simpler than that.
Politics is on one level very simple – voters vote for the people who promise to give them what they want.
The issue is that nobody can force voters to act rationally. Many desires of voters are inherently contradictory.
As an example, this subreddit is full of people who want increased public spending *and* reduced taxation.
In regards to housing, there is a very simple problem here, which is that voters demand more housing be built. Again, the simplistic way of looking at this would be to say “but not near them”, which has some truth to it.
However. However, indeed. The real issue is not that people simply do not want housing near them, it’s that by and large people oppose all the structural (so to speak) changes need to increase home-building rates.
Consider the following broad points:-
– Irish people prefer housing to apartment living;
– Irish people object to build-to-rent by and large;
– Irish people object to having another crash like 2008;
– Irish people object to how difficult it is to get a mortgage;
– Irish people object to reducing the minimum wage/abolishing social welfare;
– Irish people object to removing minimum standards in housing;
– Irish people object to reducing minimum standards in housing;
– Etc, etc, etc.
Now many of the above are rational, sensible beliefs. The problem is that they all massively increase the cost of building to a level beyond which building is possible.
Normally at this point, somebody will mention “why can’t the State” build. This is equally foolish. The State can only build what current taxation levels allow. If building is uneconomic for the private sector, it’s most likely uneconomic for the State.
Ultimately, our population grew too fast for our devastated construction sector to cope, and nobody wants to take the steps needed to make construction easier.
In saying that, construction levels are reaching their maximum sustainable peak and in a few years time, the amount of housing being built will begin to have an effect.
Shit one if you need to find somewhere to live now.
“not those type of homes” guy is honestly too real
I worked hard to buy my house so I personally don’t want to see the prices come down or any additional support from the government, completely selfish but I don’t care
Why are the houses always so fucking ugly tho.
What’s the issue with building more apartments? Pardon my ignorance of your specific problem but I live in a small (app. 100k pop.) city that’s added about 600 apartments in the last few years. As a longtime homeowner I’m not too thrilled but the demand was there and the market stepped in and met it. Seems simple.
Sinn Fein and PBP missing with ak47s
A pension is an investment fund, doesn’t really need to be in their twice my man.
>Ghetto estates
Imagine calling an “affordable” 200 unit housing estate proposal in a leafy part of Dublin a ‘ghetto estate’… Only someone called George on a residents committee would think that’s okay. You can see him stroking his belly, nose up in the air , boasting about his fat children in college, determined to pull the ladder up behind him. George’s face should be up on a mobile billboard along with everyone who objected, they are an abomination to our society
I feel like there should be a “fix the infrastructure in the area first!” guy, too.
How are investment funds or pension funds preventing homes from being built?
As a non-Irish person who lives in an area with a shit-ton of houses being built, it’s not worth it.
Anybody who says you need more homes needs to have less kids. Building new houses instead of recycling old ones is havoc on the environment
Need to add “a huge cohort of r/Ireland” to this particular meme.
They left out Mica
We need the strength of Keanu in our hardest moments….we can do this boys….or die trying
NIMBYs should be added to this
pff come over to Drogheda, we have plenty of houses under construction, I just hope ya don’t mind Paddy McCabe
the local residents one has to be the worst. how much of an entitled little cunt can you be like?
You forgot “….but urban sprawl!” – when there is the entirety of North County Dublin ready to build on, and even get a decent metro service for the rest of the century built in advance, dirt cheap through cut-and-cover.
You can ad Irish Water to that list also – “oh you’re developing you say? Well that’s gonna be €200,000 for the water connection please”
Never understood this “objection” game ~ I mean if the land doesn’t belong to you then you have no business about who build what on the land. You want it to be empty? Go buy said land. Or fuck off.
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Can’t wait for the “but we are right for objecting because….” and the “Well we don’t want THOSE types of homes to be built with THAT type of money..” posts to start rolling in.
Crazy that those people actually think they are making things better and not dramatically worse.
I bought in 2020. All building can now cease. Regards. Me
I’ve heard people around celbridge in particular complain about homes being built because “they won’t be nice to look at”
The problem is much, much simpler than that.
Politics is on one level very simple – voters vote for the people who promise to give them what they want.
The issue is that nobody can force voters to act rationally. Many desires of voters are inherently contradictory.
As an example, this subreddit is full of people who want increased public spending *and* reduced taxation.
In regards to housing, there is a very simple problem here, which is that voters demand more housing be built. Again, the simplistic way of looking at this would be to say “but not near them”, which has some truth to it.
However. However, indeed. The real issue is not that people simply do not want housing near them, it’s that by and large people oppose all the structural (so to speak) changes need to increase home-building rates.
Consider the following broad points:-
– Irish people prefer housing to apartment living;
– Irish people object to build-to-rent by and large;
– Irish people object to having another crash like 2008;
– Irish people object to how difficult it is to get a mortgage;
– Irish people object to reducing the minimum wage/abolishing social welfare;
– Irish people object to removing minimum standards in housing;
– Irish people object to reducing minimum standards in housing;
– Etc, etc, etc.
Now many of the above are rational, sensible beliefs. The problem is that they all massively increase the cost of building to a level beyond which building is possible.
Normally at this point, somebody will mention “why can’t the State” build. This is equally foolish. The State can only build what current taxation levels allow. If building is uneconomic for the private sector, it’s most likely uneconomic for the State.
Ultimately, our population grew too fast for our devastated construction sector to cope, and nobody wants to take the steps needed to make construction easier.
In saying that, construction levels are reaching their maximum sustainable peak and in a few years time, the amount of housing being built will begin to have an effect.
Shit one if you need to find somewhere to live now.
“not those type of homes” guy is honestly too real
Irish person “wtf…..I think I need to emigrate”
[FF and FG](https://giphy.com/gifs/nasa-nasagif-jpl-nasajpl-1gTYhLm78Vm913xUKP)
I worked hard to buy my house so I personally don’t want to see the prices come down or any additional support from the government, completely selfish but I don’t care
Why are the houses always so fucking ugly tho.
What’s the issue with building more apartments? Pardon my ignorance of your specific problem but I live in a small (app. 100k pop.) city that’s added about 600 apartments in the last few years. As a longtime homeowner I’m not too thrilled but the demand was there and the market stepped in and met it. Seems simple.
Sinn Fein and PBP missing with ak47s
A pension is an investment fund, doesn’t really need to be in their twice my man.
>Ghetto estates
Imagine calling an “affordable” 200 unit housing estate proposal in a leafy part of Dublin a ‘ghetto estate’… Only someone called George on a residents committee would think that’s okay. You can see him stroking his belly, nose up in the air , boasting about his fat children in college, determined to pull the ladder up behind him. George’s face should be up on a mobile billboard along with everyone who objected, they are an abomination to our society
I feel like there should be a “fix the infrastructure in the area first!” guy, too.
How are investment funds or pension funds preventing homes from being built?
As a non-Irish person who lives in an area with a shit-ton of houses being built, it’s not worth it.
Anybody who says you need more homes needs to have less kids. Building new houses instead of recycling old ones is havoc on the environment
Need to add “a huge cohort of r/Ireland” to this particular meme.
They left out Mica
We need the strength of Keanu in our hardest moments….we can do this boys….or die trying
NIMBYs should be added to this
pff come over to Drogheda, we have plenty of houses under construction, I just hope ya don’t mind Paddy McCabe
the local residents one has to be the worst. how much of an entitled little cunt can you be like?
You forgot “….but urban sprawl!” – when there is the entirety of North County Dublin ready to build on, and even get a decent metro service for the rest of the century built in advance, dirt cheap through cut-and-cover.
You can ad Irish Water to that list also – “oh you’re developing you say? Well that’s gonna be €200,000 for the water connection please”
Never understood this “objection” game ~ I mean if the land doesn’t belong to you then you have no business about who build what on the land. You want it to be empty? Go buy said land. Or fuck off.