Hysterical misanthropic “plant based” garbage. We have eaten meat and animal-based byproducts for thousands of years without problem. It’s vast industrialisation on a global scale which causes pollution, particularly for rare metals, minerals and pharmaceuticals. Humans eating what they have always eaten isn’t the problem and us moving to eating dust and lab-grown chemical muck, would make no difference to the environment. It will just make our existence even more joyless than people like him already are.
If you don’t eat your meat you can’t have any pudding!
u/Iconospasm stated: “but we are not facing environmental and biodiversity collapse at all and it’s a hysterical claim backed up by nothing more than arbitrary propaganda. It makes no sense to correlate a bunch of awful *global* outcomes and then tie them specifically to Wales.”
We have about 14% healthy rivers with 86% of them deemed unhealthy and biodiversity in them have collapsed, or am I making that up too? The lead cause of river pollution is from animal-ag here in Wales.
Now, conservationists, scientists and experts from more than 60 organisations are calling for urgent action across Wales.
Some of the wildlife that has suffered the biggest population losses are the insects, flora and mammals that people may be less familiar with. Well-known species like the Atlantic Salmon and Curlew have also suffered critical declines in Wales. These species are disappearing from our seas and countryside. The evidence from the last 50 years shows that on land and in freshwater, significant and ongoing changes in the way we manage our land for agriculture, and the ongoing effects of climate change are having the biggest impacts on our wildlife.”
So this is all propaganda? This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I’m a data scientist and wildlife film maker working with ecologists and your statement is scary and down right wrong/mis information.
If everyone in the UK became a Vegan, then there would need to be an increase of land suitable for growing vegetables and other crops suitable of up to 400,000 hectares. If that was not available, suitable food would need to be imported requiring each tonne to travel an average of 730km to get to the UK and that does not address the likelihood that wildlife would need to slaughtered to make new land available in whatever location was chosen. Better that the majority of people just committed suicide so that no animals would be hurt feeding us. It is estimated that if the population was reduced to somewhere around 3/4 of a million, we could feed ourselves fully.
This thread is going to be scary isn’t it.
Weapon grade virtue signalling.
I don’t mind eating more vegetables and less meat but like fuck am I going vegan, that’s like a death sentence.
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Hysterical misanthropic “plant based” garbage. We have eaten meat and animal-based byproducts for thousands of years without problem. It’s vast industrialisation on a global scale which causes pollution, particularly for rare metals, minerals and pharmaceuticals. Humans eating what they have always eaten isn’t the problem and us moving to eating dust and lab-grown chemical muck, would make no difference to the environment. It will just make our existence even more joyless than people like him already are.
If you don’t eat your meat you can’t have any pudding!
u/Iconospasm stated: “but we are not facing environmental and biodiversity collapse at all and it’s a hysterical claim backed up by nothing more than arbitrary propaganda. It makes no sense to correlate a bunch of awful *global* outcomes and then tie them specifically to Wales.”
My rebuttal and the science:
[https://stateofnature.org.uk/countries/wales/](https://stateofnature.org.uk/countries/wales/)
So butterflies declining by 80% since the 1970s is not biodiversity collapse? Same with other pollinators. [https://butterfly-conservation.org/news-and-blog/80-of-uk-butterflies-have-decreased-scientists-warn-time-is-running-out](https://butterfly-conservation.org/news-and-blog/80-of-uk-butterflies-have-decreased-scientists-warn-time-is-running-out)
So birds haven’t declined by more than 50% since the 1970s? [https://www.biodiversitywales.org.uk/Birds](https://www.biodiversitywales.org.uk/Birds)
“One of the most striking facts around the recent assessment is once widespread and familiar birds in Wales are now in serious decline.”
River pollution, more than four out of five rivers are unhealthy due to animal-ag and here are two documentaries about it, please watch.
[https://www.newscientist.com/video/2379456-the-river-teifi-how-agricultural-waste-is-destroying-this-welsh-river/](https://www.newscientist.com/video/2379456-the-river-teifi-how-agricultural-waste-is-destroying-this-welsh-river/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSPtVkJ_Uxs&t=982s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSPtVkJ_Uxs&t=982s)
Wetlands haven’t declined by over 90%?
Wild meadows haven’t declined by 90%?
We have about 14% healthy rivers with 86% of them deemed unhealthy and biodiversity in them have collapsed, or am I making that up too? The lead cause of river pollution is from animal-ag here in Wales.
“The new [State of Nature 2023 report](https://stateofnature.org.uk/countries/wales/?fbclid=IwAR3psGE-Z6UZ2zOhSNGOjYnJIpBKPirnlKIK1Y8VbXMKwJw2fnIZN9bR7Bw), published today, reveals the devastating scale of nature loss across Wales and provides a detailed picture of how nature is faring and what is needed to fix it.
Now, conservationists, scientists and experts from more than 60 organisations are calling for urgent action across Wales.
Some of the wildlife that has suffered the biggest population losses are the insects, flora and mammals that people may be less familiar with. Well-known species like the Atlantic Salmon and Curlew have also suffered critical declines in Wales. These species are disappearing from our seas and countryside. The evidence from the last 50 years shows that on land and in freshwater, significant and ongoing changes in the way we manage our land for agriculture, and the ongoing effects of climate change are having the biggest impacts on our wildlife.”
So this is all propaganda? This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I’m a data scientist and wildlife film maker working with ecologists and your statement is scary and down right wrong/mis information.
If everyone in the UK became a Vegan, then there would need to be an increase of land suitable for growing vegetables and other crops suitable of up to 400,000 hectares. If that was not available, suitable food would need to be imported requiring each tonne to travel an average of 730km to get to the UK and that does not address the likelihood that wildlife would need to slaughtered to make new land available in whatever location was chosen. Better that the majority of people just committed suicide so that no animals would be hurt feeding us. It is estimated that if the population was reduced to somewhere around 3/4 of a million, we could feed ourselves fully.
This thread is going to be scary isn’t it.
Weapon grade virtue signalling.
I don’t mind eating more vegetables and less meat but like fuck am I going vegan, that’s like a death sentence.