Probably not unfair to say that councils who had a dislike of cars took full advantage to make as many streets as possible 20mph.
It’s hardly a surprise that many councils were just lazy and implemented it in the easiest way (for the council).
Don’t blame councils
It was blanket law
All residential roads/ built up
Passing the blame on council about a law the goverment enforced? I’m a bit confused about this. Can’t she step up and say “We we’re all at fault, going to learn from this” but nah politicians never take full responsibility if not any at all.
20mph was the best thing to happen to this country in a long time
It was a bonkers, deranged plan, implemented badly. So easy to just give councils the right to lower speed limits where they felt appropriate, with the money to do so.
The whole point of the way they did it was to bypass the councils and force the change without council involvement. To keep a 30 limit required active council involvement.
So big surprise the councils were not on top of it and were not coping with it. That was by design. It was a feature not a bug and to now complain about the councils is pretty dishonest.
We had 20mph zones for school times and terms before this clown show, full support of the community. Then they started using it as a revenue exercise during school holidays.
Standard WG deflection for badly managed and thought out policies
We’ve had …..
“It’s Westminster Tories,
It’s the councils.
It’s the Health Boards
We got 20mph wrong……
WG have totally failed to bring anything positive to Wales. A complete waste of time. .and they no longer have the convenient out… of blaming UK government.
20mph should have been a cooperative project by a Welsh government taskforce and a council taskforce.
“Ok so today we look at these 10 towns. Which roads do we change” sort. Not “any road under this definition will change without formal council disapproval”
I’ve been in Wales for a few days recently and found that very few actually take any notice. 20 is hard to keep to in a vehicle and would not be surprised if it generates more pollution by using lower gears and brake dust.
a blanket change to this legislation on something this wide ranging that affects every day people was always going to be poorly implemented,
Swansea where I live, despite knowing it was going to be the case for months in advance, just spray painted over a load of signs initially where it was 30, you raise issues with them about putting roads back and you get fairly dismissive replies back then about your suggestions, they are going to do very little about it.
I think its actually harmed the WG in all of this, I find myself questioning its legitimacy now which I havent before, because it shows that this is the sort of stuff they will try and bring into our lives as its one of the areas thats devolved and takes a shining light off the fact that our schools in Wales are crap in terms of the buildings, education is lacking comparative to other nations and the NHS is in dire straits to the point of collapse on multiple levels and areas and the people will still vote for a donkey with a red rosette on in a lot of towns because they have been brainwashed that “its not the tories” and that siege mentality we have as a population.
We are not any different to other nations, we have a political elite that dont have a clue about the working man, Eluned has never had a proper job of any description, look up her CV, its comical to find them leading our nation.
People try to discuss actual issues challenge
The answer is simple, don’t vote for these high-handed bastards ever again!
The Welsh government passed the law, not the councils. As usual there is a complete lack of accountability.
Devolution was a mistake. All regional governments are even more corrupt and incompetent than Westminster.
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Probably not unfair to say that councils who had a dislike of cars took full advantage to make as many streets as possible 20mph.
It’s hardly a surprise that many councils were just lazy and implemented it in the easiest way (for the council).
Don’t blame councils
It was blanket law
All residential roads/ built up
Passing the blame on council about a law the goverment enforced? I’m a bit confused about this. Can’t she step up and say “We we’re all at fault, going to learn from this” but nah politicians never take full responsibility if not any at all.
20mph was the best thing to happen to this country in a long time
It was a bonkers, deranged plan, implemented badly. So easy to just give councils the right to lower speed limits where they felt appropriate, with the money to do so.
The whole point of the way they did it was to bypass the councils and force the change without council involvement. To keep a 30 limit required active council involvement.
So big surprise the councils were not on top of it and were not coping with it. That was by design. It was a feature not a bug and to now complain about the councils is pretty dishonest.
We had 20mph zones for school times and terms before this clown show, full support of the community. Then they started using it as a revenue exercise during school holidays.
Standard WG deflection for badly managed and thought out policies
We’ve had …..
“It’s Westminster Tories,
It’s the councils.
It’s the Health Boards
We got 20mph wrong……
WG have totally failed to bring anything positive to Wales. A complete waste of time. .and they no longer have the convenient out… of blaming UK government.
20mph should have been a cooperative project by a Welsh government taskforce and a council taskforce.
“Ok so today we look at these 10 towns. Which roads do we change” sort. Not “any road under this definition will change without formal council disapproval”
I’ve been in Wales for a few days recently and found that very few actually take any notice. 20 is hard to keep to in a vehicle and would not be surprised if it generates more pollution by using lower gears and brake dust.
a blanket change to this legislation on something this wide ranging that affects every day people was always going to be poorly implemented,
Swansea where I live, despite knowing it was going to be the case for months in advance, just spray painted over a load of signs initially where it was 30, you raise issues with them about putting roads back and you get fairly dismissive replies back then about your suggestions, they are going to do very little about it.
I think its actually harmed the WG in all of this, I find myself questioning its legitimacy now which I havent before, because it shows that this is the sort of stuff they will try and bring into our lives as its one of the areas thats devolved and takes a shining light off the fact that our schools in Wales are crap in terms of the buildings, education is lacking comparative to other nations and the NHS is in dire straits to the point of collapse on multiple levels and areas and the people will still vote for a donkey with a red rosette on in a lot of towns because they have been brainwashed that “its not the tories” and that siege mentality we have as a population.
We are not any different to other nations, we have a political elite that dont have a clue about the working man, Eluned has never had a proper job of any description, look up her CV, its comical to find them leading our nation.
People try to discuss actual issues challenge
The answer is simple, don’t vote for these high-handed bastards ever again!
The Welsh government passed the law, not the councils. As usual there is a complete lack of accountability.
Devolution was a mistake. All regional governments are even more corrupt and incompetent than Westminster.