AOC is right: Jill Stein’s campaign is not serious

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/16/aoc-is-right-jill-steins-campaign-is-not-serious/

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  1. A bit from the piece:

    > Stein isn’t interested in doing the heavy lifting of organizing at the grassroots level required to win substantive policy achievements for Americans of any political stripe.
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    > Stein’s campaign is not only disingenuous but dangerous. In 2016, Stein’s vote tally was enough to make the difference in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, flipping the electoral college from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump. Now, she could do it again, and Republicans are helping her do it – because they understand that Stein’s candidacy benefits no one but Trump.

  3. The people who work for the Green Party are usually straight up tankies.

    They had a tent/table set up at a local event in 2016. The girl running the tent has a blog with podcast. Her page had all kinds of iconography like, the soviet hammer and sickle, and the communist red star. Not much mention of any environmental causes.

  4. In 2016 I listened to the propaganda and voted for Stein. I’ve been ashamed of that vote since then. But in 2024 it’s much easier to spot. Heck, yesterday one of the candidates for VP told a reporter he was making up propaganda to muddy the waters…. Wait, what? Did a VP candidate actually say he was making up stories for propaganda purposes? Yup.

  5. Pretty damn clear that Stein is a Russian asset and the Green Party only exists to siphon away votes from Democratic candidates. Completely irrelevant and pointless beyond that.

  6. There are Russian shills hiding in plain sight on Reddit plugging 3rd party. Don’t fall for it.

    Russia wants to rule by force, the best way to get your democracy back is to weaken those who want to undermine it. Support Ukraine and vote against the orange wannabe dictator in November. Harris/Walz all the way.

  8. I voted third party in 2016, then Trump won and I’ve regretted that decision ever since. I sort of felt like it was a protest vote. I didn’t want to vote for another Clinton, and I could never bring myself to vote for Trump. It was a mistake and here we are in a never ending nightmare. I don’t know if three parties will ever be a thing in the US, but here’s to hoping trump brings down the Republican Party with him

  10. System is ofc not very good. But it is what it is and won’t change any time soon and running just taking a few but very important votes away from the democrats year after year, there is an agenda there. Especially in years when Trump is on the ballot.

    Take a break from trying to make points and save democracy and country from Trump instead. Maybe even the world.

  11. Jill Stein didn’t know how many people are in the House of Representatives. I don’t expect my President to be a Constitutional scholar but that is a pretty huge red flag when they say “I don’t know, around 600”. It’s 435.

  12. I’m in NC and for a second I thought it was Josh Stein she was talking about. I was like wtf did he do wrong 😆

  14. Jill Stein is tied to Putin and she shows up in swings states on Presidential Election years like a cicada climbing out of the ground to shed its skin.

  15. No third party campaign is serious in our polarized, electoral college, first past the post system.

    It’s at best a principled but misguided stand and at worst an attempt to kick dust into the gears and cause chaos.

    Stein’s campaign is not serious. RFK’s wasn’t. Cornell West’s isn’t. We need ranked choice voting if that’s ever going to change.

  16. Jill’s been siphoning off Democratic votes for years. 2024 is no different, she’s never been serious.

  17. Sounds about right. Nader candidacy in 2000 gave us Bush.

  20. Americans need to understand how our election system works. The Electoral College can only function with 2 viable candidates, no more than that. The only two options for any third party candidate is to A) take votes away from someone else to sway the election for the other major candidate, or B) win some electoral votes and likely cause the entire election to fail.

    If you truly want more than two viable options, you must first push for the end of the Electoral College. A popular vote with ranked choice voting is the best option for 3 or more candidates.

  21. Jill Stein is an undeclared Russian agent who should be prosecuted as such.

  23. Would be nice if Jill Stein used her dinners with Putin to tell him invading countries, kidnapping children and murdering political opponents is bad. Feels more useful than showing up once every 4 years for another vanity run for president.

  24. Stein is running to get cash from Russia and absolutely no other reason.

  26. It never was. I say that as a former stein voter.

    No 3rd party’s campaign is.

    We’ve seen 3rd parties come in and be incredibly sucessesful in the past. Remember ours “Original parties” were Federalist and Anti Federalist. Every subsequent party, Democratic Republicans, Whigs, Democrats, Republicans started as a 3rd party.

    What separates the sucessesful 3rd parties though is they start from the “bottom” (local races, state houses).up (then congress then the President).

    The guys trying to go “top” (President first) down never get anywhere.

  27. It is very serious. Its just not serious about making a positive impact for anyone else except Jill and her Russian handlers.

  28. It is deadly serious, it is backed by Putin to create chaos and drain voted from Biden and is now pivoting to do the same for Harris.

  29. Stein is just a Russian stooge. I don’t know why anyone would consider taking her seriously.

  30. Here’s how you know they’re not serious. Neither the Greens nor the Libertarians have elected to office at any level a number of people consistent with an actual attempt to make a political party happen. Last time I checked, the green party has had about as many public officials ever win an election as there have been Marvel movies released.

    These people can’t get a foothold in city councils, state houses, or Congress, and yet they somehow feel they are entitled to sit in the biggest chair in the land. How exactly does that work? If your entire campaign exists only to take away the ability for either the Democrats or the Republicans to get the office, then once you actually get it, who’s going to work with you? Why would either party try to form a coalition government with you? Why wouldn’t it make more sense for them to let you fail over the course of four years so that you never end up getting another try?

    If any third-party, either of these two or any other ones, or legitimately serious about building a third lane in American politics, they would be trying to get as many school board seats and city council seats and mayors seats as possible. Because those people would eventually become state senators and state representatives. And those people would eventually become governors and house representatives and senators and cabinet secretaries. And then, when it is actually time to get the big seat, they will have a nationwide apparatus of support at every level.

    All that’s left is to wonder what their real goal is if governing is not it. Or, more importantly, the real goal of the people propping them up. Google Jill Stein dinner picture if you’ve got any questions on that.

  31. Why would any party field a candidate with near zero experience

  35. Cornell West is also on many ballots. Stein isn’t the only 3rd party candidate.

  36. She literally disappears after every election only to return 4 years later. She literally has not done anything to promote her party and policies. She is just a cold sore that makes noise during election years

  37. I’m not gonna…. rush in… to conclusions but I think she is campaigning exactly as she intended

  38. She’s been running for something every cycle for 25 years. Never won a thing. She’s just a grifter.

  40. It never was. It’s always been a distraction to pull votes away from democrats.

  41. Comes out of her den every 4 years and then just vanishes again.

  44. What are you talking about the Lady who Lunches with Vladimir Putin and Michael Flynn isn’t running a serious campaign? The one who isn’t on all 50 ballots? That’s crazy talk. Surely the party that only shows up every 4 years to take a swing at the Presidency is serious about its.. policy goals. ( of getting republicans elected)

  45. Jill Steins never been serious except for trying to be spoiler.

  46. If you genuinely care about environmental issues, you should vote for the Democratic Party, not the Green Party.

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