Look at all those boomers wanting to destroy the future of the young, again.
Brexit 2.0
The one at the weekend there was pretty badly attended.
I’m sure there will be a plethora of facts and figures at this which will eventually convince the majority to change from a ‘no’.
I’m sure it won’t be a shit-tonne of face-painted flag-shagging, anti-English rhetoric. Because if it is, then it’s ‘still no’.
Erm, no. Still no. We were asked just then, still a no.
Actually according to the polls a majority of Scots are still No
Yes
Nice to let the pensioners have a little walk about.
You’d think people would have learned something from Brexit by now.
Nope
I don’t support us going independent so much anymore. Not because I don’t think it would be the best thing for us as a nation but because I have lost all faith in politicians and can now easy imagine them making an absolute fkn disaster of it. If we went independent it would need led by a really strong party and, well …. Tumbleweeds…
Still moderately Yes (And frankly a little suspicious how rabidly No this vaguely Yes-leaning sub has become)
Hard NO from me.
They should move to push Government reform in Westminster, there is easily enough cross party people who are massively unhappy with them to force a change.
If Scotland, Wales and NI pushed for England to have a devolved Government so that Westminster was purely for UK issues it’s got a greater chance of actually achieving something.
Just a caveat, by greater chance I mean like 2% rather than the 1% I give the current Scottish Independence movement.
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I’m pretty sure this violates the golden rule of campaigning: don’t do anything that is indistinguishable from what your opponents would want you to do.
A bunch of – let’s face it – oddballs, parading around the place, reminding everyone that they got beat and that their numbers have dwindled massively, isn’t the great move they seem to think it is.
Nope. Incompetent government would absolutely fuck it up, and the independence argument has always been motivated by the same “take back our sovereignty from the foreign bastards” that got us out of the EU.
Still no, thanks. You all have fun in the dark with your flag waving after work… If you work.
Jesus are we still having that old drum banged on about? Can we start looking to the future and not the past. Let’s be honest there’s not going to be another vote in our lifetime. And the party that was ‘all about that’ and were for all intents and purposes a one trick pony slipped in the shit prior to the last election and pretty much lost it all. This whole yes / no is divisive and only works to separate people further
Graphic designers who can improve the visual offering would be a good start. The campaign needs some serious branding work from the roots, up. And it needs a believable campaign with credible flagbearers.
I just wish independence wasn’t also a vote for the SNP – I love the idea of an independent Scotland but loathe the idea of it under a complete shower of incompetents.
As per usual – criticism of the SNP is NOT an endorsement of the Tories – I mention this as “Wah! You must be a Tory!!” seems to be the go to line of defence for any criticism of the SNP and much of its support – and I say that as an ex-SNP voter.
Obvious baitpost
I am, but realistically it’s not going to gain traction again until the Labour government has run it’s course.
In 10 years time, when the Tories are threatening to come back, and when the demographic shift has completed with Millennials firmly in control of politics, independence will probably come back with a vengeance. Even better, 20 years is definitely ‘a generation’, so it will have alot more legitimately.
Until then, I think we’re stuck in this stagnant mess of a UK.
It’s a lovely idea and a terrible idea all at the same time!
I was a no, imo we dodged a bullet. Like other people have commented if there was a political party who had the answers and a plan in full, it might have worked. But hindsight has shown the incompetence of every mp north and south of the board whilst handling brexit, god knows how an independent Scotland would have managed the cost of covid
The way the SNP and Greens ran the Scottish Government has been a huge warning.
If we want independence to become a reality we need serious politicians with an actual plan of how we build a nation and make successful.
Ireland is a great example but they are much more pro business than anyone in the Scotland independence movement now. Salmond at least had a plan as well but he’s been pushed aside
Fuck no broken record we had a vote THE WHOLE COUNTRY SAID NO NOW FUCK OFF
By all accounts the SNP hierarchy aren’t so…
No
No movement in polls to suggest majority support for independence. Check.
SNP got blown out at the GE and no ‘mandate’ for another referendum. Check.
Illusion that Scottish MPs are somehow more trustworthy and competent than Westminster thoroughly destroyed. Check.
There’s no referendum coming any time soon.
Get over it
people would have learned something from Brexit by now
Wasn’t there a big debate over who could use “Yes” and who gets to use “No” what if in a next referendum the choices are swapped.
Of course you are,
You can’t change stupid!
Genuinly what would independance for Scotland look like. Would they have to formally rejoin the eu? Open borders similar to ireland? Is there a UK representative and will they be removed?
fantastic, i hope you lot take your independance and f off
Still deluded. 🤦🏽♀️
Would be devestating if Scotland left the union then didnt get accepted in the euro club.
Guys, if you want independence, shouldn’t have let Queen buy you from your debts which you got yourself into after trying to grab some colonies. You shouldn’t have had such colonialist ambitions in the first place
Isn’t “Yes” way more positive sounding than “No” usually? Meaning it introduces unconscious bias in the question?
Since we already had an indiref with “Yes” being pro-indy if we have another referendum “Yes” should stand for staying in the UK.
“Do you think Scotland should remain in the UK?” Yes/No
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Look at all those boomers wanting to destroy the future of the young, again.
Brexit 2.0
The one at the weekend there was pretty badly attended.
I’m sure there will be a plethora of facts and figures at this which will eventually convince the majority to change from a ‘no’.
I’m sure it won’t be a shit-tonne of face-painted flag-shagging, anti-English rhetoric. Because if it is, then it’s ‘still no’.
Erm, no. Still no. We were asked just then, still a no.
Actually according to the polls a majority of Scots are still No
Yes
Nice to let the pensioners have a little walk about.
You’d think people would have learned something from Brexit by now.
Nope
I don’t support us going independent so much anymore. Not because I don’t think it would be the best thing for us as a nation but because I have lost all faith in politicians and can now easy imagine them making an absolute fkn disaster of it. If we went independent it would need led by a really strong party and, well …. Tumbleweeds…
Nope
Tenth anniversary? Fucking hell time flys.
https://preview.redd.it/hjkh1ca77dpd1.png?width=714&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af5c83fefc399c601c5cc2525bd73c513a8cb6ef
Recent indy polling for those curious. Opinium polled 1028 Scots from 5-11 September
Part of that polling it was also asked when another independence vote should be held:
* 24% said by the end of 2025
* 18% said by the end of 2030
* 32% said another referendum should not be held
Also asked was if people think Scotland should have the power to hold a referendum without UK permission
* 49% said Scotland should have that power
* 37% disagreed, and said scotland should not have that power
More details, and other questions: [https://archive.is/E8uG7](https://archive.is/E8uG7)
Still moderately Yes (And frankly a little suspicious how rabidly No this vaguely Yes-leaning sub has become)
Hard NO from me.
They should move to push Government reform in Westminster, there is easily enough cross party people who are massively unhappy with them to force a change.
If Scotland, Wales and NI pushed for England to have a devolved Government so that Westminster was purely for UK issues it’s got a greater chance of actually achieving something.
Just a caveat, by greater chance I mean like 2% rather than the 1% I give the current Scottish Independence movement.
🍿
I’m pretty sure this violates the golden rule of campaigning: don’t do anything that is indistinguishable from what your opponents would want you to do.
A bunch of – let’s face it – oddballs, parading around the place, reminding everyone that they got beat and that their numbers have dwindled massively, isn’t the great move they seem to think it is.
Nope. Incompetent government would absolutely fuck it up, and the independence argument has always been motivated by the same “take back our sovereignty from the foreign bastards” that got us out of the EU.
Still no, thanks. You all have fun in the dark with your flag waving after work… If you work.
Jesus are we still having that old drum banged on about? Can we start looking to the future and not the past. Let’s be honest there’s not going to be another vote in our lifetime. And the party that was ‘all about that’ and were for all intents and purposes a one trick pony slipped in the shit prior to the last election and pretty much lost it all. This whole yes / no is divisive and only works to separate people further
Graphic designers who can improve the visual offering would be a good start. The campaign needs some serious branding work from the roots, up. And it needs a believable campaign with credible flagbearers.
I just wish independence wasn’t also a vote for the SNP – I love the idea of an independent Scotland but loathe the idea of it under a complete shower of incompetents.
As per usual – criticism of the SNP is NOT an endorsement of the Tories – I mention this as “Wah! You must be a Tory!!” seems to be the go to line of defence for any criticism of the SNP and much of its support – and I say that as an ex-SNP voter.
Obvious baitpost
I am, but realistically it’s not going to gain traction again until the Labour government has run it’s course.
In 10 years time, when the Tories are threatening to come back, and when the demographic shift has completed with Millennials firmly in control of politics, independence will probably come back with a vengeance. Even better, 20 years is definitely ‘a generation’, so it will have alot more legitimately.
Until then, I think we’re stuck in this stagnant mess of a UK.
It’s a lovely idea and a terrible idea all at the same time!
I was a no, imo we dodged a bullet. Like other people have commented if there was a political party who had the answers and a plan in full, it might have worked. But hindsight has shown the incompetence of every mp north and south of the board whilst handling brexit, god knows how an independent Scotland would have managed the cost of covid
The way the SNP and Greens ran the Scottish Government has been a huge warning.
If we want independence to become a reality we need serious politicians with an actual plan of how we build a nation and make successful.
Ireland is a great example but they are much more pro business than anyone in the Scotland independence movement now. Salmond at least had a plan as well but he’s been pushed aside
Fuck no broken record we had a vote THE WHOLE COUNTRY SAID NO NOW FUCK OFF
By all accounts the SNP hierarchy aren’t so…
No
No movement in polls to suggest majority support for independence. Check.
SNP got blown out at the GE and no ‘mandate’ for another referendum. Check.
Illusion that Scottish MPs are somehow more trustworthy and competent than Westminster thoroughly destroyed. Check.
There’s no referendum coming any time soon.
Get over it
people would have learned something from Brexit by now
Wasn’t there a big debate over who could use “Yes” and who gets to use “No” what if in a next referendum the choices are swapped.
Of course you are,
You can’t change stupid!
Genuinly what would independance for Scotland look like. Would they have to formally rejoin the eu? Open borders similar to ireland? Is there a UK representative and will they be removed?
fantastic, i hope you lot take your independance and f off
Still deluded. 🤦🏽♀️
Would be devestating if Scotland left the union then didnt get accepted in the euro club.
Guys, if you want independence, shouldn’t have let Queen buy you from your debts which you got yourself into after trying to grab some colonies. You shouldn’t have had such colonialist ambitions in the first place
Isn’t “Yes” way more positive sounding than “No” usually? Meaning it introduces unconscious bias in the question?
Since we already had an indiref with “Yes” being pro-indy if we have another referendum “Yes” should stand for staying in the UK.
“Do you think Scotland should remain in the UK?” Yes/No
Sounds fair, doesn’t it?