And what happens when 9% VAT is inevitably too high
Ask me arse
I too need lower taxes to survive, thanks!
How about they stop asking 9 euro for a pint which cost 50 cent to make. Or selling a fucking burger for 15 euro.
Lol why is your restaurant or pretentious coffee shop more deserving of this benefit then other family owned businesses like hardware shops for example struggling and battling with amazon
Wow these comments… it’s crazy that people are so indoctrinated that when someone campaigns to reduce everyone’s tax, people get angry at them.
It sounds like the industry is badly managed if they can’t pay the bare minimum of tax but can afford a nationwide marketing campaign to pay less tax.
I would have left tbh. Moaning cunts. They would take the VAT cut into the back pocket and raise their prices the next day.
It’s not the fact that you probably wouldn’t get change out of €10 for a coffee and a pastry that’s causing decline in your industry.
You’re lucky to be on 13.5% and not 23%!
Look I get it…
But, some never reduced the prices when it was put down to 9%. We had menus from a few places saved on our phones and compared. But when it went back up, they put the prices up.
Yes overheads are more, insurance has gone up and the cost of supplies has gone up substantially. The cost of Sugar and flour has doubled. Not sure of coffee….( I have one flat white a day and I make it in work)
I’ve heard places ay people aren’t going out as much, but I wouldn’t fully agree with that. Might depend on where I am going I suppose. I do like going out for dinner, but it is expensive.
But i will be partaking in some pizza from Coke Lane in next few days because I need a few hours out with the husband with some nice pizza and the meatballs are back on menu boys!
Didn’t they try a reduced VAT rate before and the hospitality industry just continued to gouge customers so it was revoked.
The cheek.
People who are shitting on this need to get a fucking clue.
The restaurants don’t pay VAT the customers do. The restaurants just collect it for the Government. When the Government cut the VAT rate the restaurants didn’t pass on the savings to their customers and so took money it should have been collecting for the government and put it in their own pockets. Fuck em.
At least its not as obnoxious as the chippers campaigning for less card payments, so they can avoid tax
The future of my business in your establishment depends on you figuring out that 3.50 for a cup of tea and €4 for a bun is too much.
Good luck on your journey.
If 4% tax cut is holding your business together, it’s time to face reality.
If the VAT goes down they pocket the benefit, if it goes back up the customer pays the price. Your business isn’t viable. Nothing lasts forever. Culture changes and what society did once does not mean it will do it forever. Many restaurants are doing well and many are no longer viable. You’re entitled to make a living, you’re not entitled to success.
Reduce my paye, then I’ll have more money for overpriced coffee and muffins
If VAT was reduced, would retailers pass that VAT reduction on to consumers? Last time it happened, many didnt.
Boy who cried wolf story here
Lowering the tax doesn’t necessarily mean lowering prices it gives the owners the option to hold them longer. Most coffee shops and cafes have a tough time turning a profit. I’d rather give a hard working business owner a shot at success than give more money to a government that can’t figure out how to use the resources it’s gifted to serve its citizens.
Maybe if the hospitality sector didn’t gouge the life out of the public when you got a VAT reduction before…you might have got a minuscule piece of sympathy
Any business who puts up signs like these should also have to say how much they’re paying staff.
So tired of businesses shouting about how hard it is to get by while not giving their employees enough for a decent standard of living.
No chance, too many worlds most expensive buildings to be built, bike sheds too.
And then proceeded to charge you close to a fiver for a coffee!!!
Please tell me where this was, so I can avoid it in the future and advise others to avoid it.
Allow the 9% if they reduce there costs to pre Covid levels0 gouging bastards!!!!!!
_That’ll be €5 for a frozen pastry please. Jam? That’s another €1. The burnt coffee? €5 please. Would you like to tip?_
Fuck off lads.
Let it fucking burn. All of it.
When times are tough we’re all in this together. But when Cold Play or Taylor Swift is in Croker is €800 for a hotel room because fuck the consumer, what are they gonna do about it?
The hospitality industry had the support of the Irish people during Covid and turned around and gouged us for every penny they could in the years after.
Article on RTE about it now, interesting but not sure I fully believe it’s as bad as that.
I was in a restaurant a few weeks back and all staff were wearing shirts with something like “save your 9%” and all had badges on too with “9%” on them.
Im going to stick the same request on my company window and see what reaction we get
No business is going to fail because the customers bill is 113.50 Vs 109 euro.
Did working in Galway 5 weeks company was paying 220 room a night including breakfast an dinner. How the fuck they wanna have tourists coming with that rip off. Don’t know the deals between government and hotels about refugees and Ukrainians but won’t be suprise that’s current rates 😕
Council tax and water rates are a bigger issue.
Ultimately all should pay the same tax and then let people decide which businesses they want to spend their money in.
If people want to go out – good for them. If they want take away that’s this choice of if they want to cook themselves.
The tax should be the same and then people decide if the extra cost is worth it. It is how all other product work. If they were paying a higher tax and wanted it brought in line then it would be different. But to ask for a subsidy vs other industries is ridiculous.
If the future of your business relies on a 4.5% swing from 13.5% to 9% VAT, your business may not be viable. How can it hope to survive any other knocks.
Reminds me of that tragedy
Is there a fundamental misunderstanding as to what VAT is with Pubs and Cafes? They see it as a cost to them which it’s not. It’s also not like they’re passing this vat change on. Newspapers had the same and they pocketed the vat reduction.
I don’t understand how the VAT rate will affect cropping rents, energy prices, and the cost of supplies.
For those in the industry can you share how significant the 9% VAT rate is? It’s currently at 13.5% right? Will 4.5% really make or break your business?
Most of the sound bite interviews of hospitality reps reference their margins heavily. ‘I’m working on a margin of 3%, 5% etc’. It’s clear that the narrative is ‘we need higher margins to give us headroom’ – which might be true for many smaller operators, but there is no sense that any of this will be passed to the consumer.
Have a few issues with this overall. From the local restaurant owners who are peddling this line about how hard it is to run a business I have to have sympathy. I know some of these people and kids do sports and in school together. They don’t ever look like they themselves are suffering the shortfall due to price increases though. Easy to point to external things but new cars and a lifestyle beyond most of their customer base doesn’t look like they are greatly impacted so their message falls short a little.
Then you have to look at why people are not going to some of these restaurants. I find it hard to pay €22-25 for very straightforward cooking like a plate of fish and chips, or chicken curry, which seems to be the standard price now.
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And what happens when 9% VAT is inevitably too high
Ask me arse
I too need lower taxes to survive, thanks!
How about they stop asking 9 euro for a pint which cost 50 cent to make. Or selling a fucking burger for 15 euro.
Lol why is your restaurant or pretentious coffee shop more deserving of this benefit then other family owned businesses like hardware shops for example struggling and battling with amazon
Wow these comments… it’s crazy that people are so indoctrinated that when someone campaigns to reduce everyone’s tax, people get angry at them.
It sounds like the industry is badly managed if they can’t pay the bare minimum of tax but can afford a nationwide marketing campaign to pay less tax.
I would have left tbh. Moaning cunts. They would take the VAT cut into the back pocket and raise their prices the next day.
It’s not the fact that you probably wouldn’t get change out of €10 for a coffee and a pastry that’s causing decline in your industry.
You’re lucky to be on 13.5% and not 23%!
Look I get it…
But, some never reduced the prices when it was put down to 9%. We had menus from a few places saved on our phones and compared. But when it went back up, they put the prices up.
Yes overheads are more, insurance has gone up and the cost of supplies has gone up substantially. The cost of Sugar and flour has doubled. Not sure of coffee….( I have one flat white a day and I make it in work)
I’ve heard places ay people aren’t going out as much, but I wouldn’t fully agree with that. Might depend on where I am going I suppose. I do like going out for dinner, but it is expensive.
But i will be partaking in some pizza from Coke Lane in next few days because I need a few hours out with the husband with some nice pizza and the meatballs are back on menu boys!
Didn’t they try a reduced VAT rate before and the hospitality industry just continued to gouge customers so it was revoked.
The cheek.
People who are shitting on this need to get a fucking clue.
The restaurants don’t pay VAT the customers do. The restaurants just collect it for the Government. When the Government cut the VAT rate the restaurants didn’t pass on the savings to their customers and so took money it should have been collecting for the government and put it in their own pockets. Fuck em.
At least its not as obnoxious as the chippers campaigning for less card payments, so they can avoid tax
The future of my business in your establishment depends on you figuring out that 3.50 for a cup of tea and €4 for a bun is too much.
Good luck on your journey.
If 4% tax cut is holding your business together, it’s time to face reality.
If the VAT goes down they pocket the benefit, if it goes back up the customer pays the price. Your business isn’t viable. Nothing lasts forever. Culture changes and what society did once does not mean it will do it forever. Many restaurants are doing well and many are no longer viable. You’re entitled to make a living, you’re not entitled to success.
Reduce my paye, then I’ll have more money for overpriced coffee and muffins
If VAT was reduced, would retailers pass that VAT reduction on to consumers? Last time it happened, many didnt.
Boy who cried wolf story here
Lowering the tax doesn’t necessarily mean lowering prices it gives the owners the option to hold them longer. Most coffee shops and cafes have a tough time turning a profit. I’d rather give a hard working business owner a shot at success than give more money to a government that can’t figure out how to use the resources it’s gifted to serve its citizens.
Maybe if the hospitality sector didn’t gouge the life out of the public when you got a VAT reduction before…you might have got a minuscule piece of sympathy
Any business who puts up signs like these should also have to say how much they’re paying staff.
So tired of businesses shouting about how hard it is to get by while not giving their employees enough for a decent standard of living.
No chance, too many worlds most expensive buildings to be built, bike sheds too.
And then proceeded to charge you close to a fiver for a coffee!!!
Please tell me where this was, so I can avoid it in the future and advise others to avoid it.
Allow the 9% if they reduce there costs to pre Covid levels0 gouging bastards!!!!!!
_That’ll be €5 for a frozen pastry please. Jam? That’s another €1. The burnt coffee? €5 please. Would you like to tip?_
Fuck off lads.
Let it fucking burn. All of it.
When times are tough we’re all in this together. But when Cold Play or Taylor Swift is in Croker is €800 for a hotel room because fuck the consumer, what are they gonna do about it?
The hospitality industry had the support of the Irish people during Covid and turned around and gouged us for every penny they could in the years after.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0918/1470558-vat-rise-could-lead-to-21-000-food-services-job-losses/
Article on RTE about it now, interesting but not sure I fully believe it’s as bad as that.
I was in a restaurant a few weeks back and all staff were wearing shirts with something like “save your 9%” and all had badges on too with “9%” on them.
Im going to stick the same request on my company window and see what reaction we get
No business is going to fail because the customers bill is 113.50 Vs 109 euro.
Did working in Galway 5 weeks company was paying 220 room a night including breakfast an dinner. How the fuck they wanna have tourists coming with that rip off. Don’t know the deals between government and hotels about refugees and Ukrainians but won’t be suprise that’s current rates 😕
Council tax and water rates are a bigger issue.
Ultimately all should pay the same tax and then let people decide which businesses they want to spend their money in.
If people want to go out – good for them. If they want take away that’s this choice of if they want to cook themselves.
The tax should be the same and then people decide if the extra cost is worth it. It is how all other product work. If they were paying a higher tax and wanted it brought in line then it would be different. But to ask for a subsidy vs other industries is ridiculous.
If the future of your business relies on a 4.5% swing from 13.5% to 9% VAT, your business may not be viable. How can it hope to survive any other knocks.
Reminds me of that tragedy
Is there a fundamental misunderstanding as to what VAT is with Pubs and Cafes? They see it as a cost to them which it’s not. It’s also not like they’re passing this vat change on. Newspapers had the same and they pocketed the vat reduction.
I don’t understand how the VAT rate will affect cropping rents, energy prices, and the cost of supplies.
For those in the industry can you share how significant the 9% VAT rate is? It’s currently at 13.5% right? Will 4.5% really make or break your business?
Most of the sound bite interviews of hospitality reps reference their margins heavily. ‘I’m working on a margin of 3%, 5% etc’. It’s clear that the narrative is ‘we need higher margins to give us headroom’ – which might be true for many smaller operators, but there is no sense that any of this will be passed to the consumer.
Have a few issues with this overall. From the local restaurant owners who are peddling this line about how hard it is to run a business I have to have sympathy. I know some of these people and kids do sports and in school together. They don’t ever look like they themselves are suffering the shortfall due to price increases though. Easy to point to external things but new cars and a lifestyle beyond most of their customer base doesn’t look like they are greatly impacted so their message falls short a little.
Then you have to look at why people are not going to some of these restaurants. I find it hard to pay €22-25 for very straightforward cooking like a plate of fish and chips, or chicken curry, which seems to be the standard price now.