Oh no, the world is ending, how will we manage this?
/s
What I find impressive, is seeing so many families with 3 or more kids, and not even families that are in the middle class, as far as income is concerned they would be hitting the poverty threshold.
Those kids then tend to also the same amount of kids each or even more, so the trend grows.
The sad reality is that we need the extra workforce, the amount of people reaching their retirement is exploding, which has to be financed by the current workforce, which has to be provided either through migration or swiss born reaching adulthood.
What I would like to see would be a graph that pits all factors together, such as amount of migration vs newborns vs deaths vs pensioners vs emigration vs invalids vs …etc
Also, thread will get locked Any% Speedrun, since this is a topic that tends to go south really quick.
Switzerland benefits greatly from the influx of highly skilled workers through immigration, which helps compensate for its low birth rate and aging population. Around 25% of the population is foreign-born, many contributing to key sectors like finance, pharmaceuticals, and engineering. This migration has been essential in sustaining Switzerland’s economic growth, with over 60% of the working-age population increase in recent years attributed to immigration. Switzerland consistently ranks as a global leader in innovation, and the steady flow of international talent supports its position in highly competitive industries. By attracting younger workers, immigration also helps alleviate the financial pressures of an aging society, making the Swiss economy more resilient.
And all of them are in YOUR FLAT
Oh boy! 🍿🥤
Sucks
SVP hand rubbing intensifies.
Ah yes. One of the news articles that will get exploited by certain parties. With no context and disclosure of proper data.
Like… Show me statistics for new born, retirement numbers, open jobs, active workforce vs. inactive workforce (unemployed/minors), Migrants/Immigrants statistics, general education standard. AND THEN, we can talk about if 9 million are too many or not.
Sounds like a big plus for Switzerland!🇨🇭
It’s a shame that a birth rate policy coupled with a sacralization of the nuclear families of natives = fascism and racism, otherwise we would have an alternative to the magnificent miracle of mass immigration supposed to save us from the aging population.
They took our jobs!
I get that the country needs workforce that can only be achieved through immigration -im one as well- but this growth can’t be infinitely sustained imo, at some point we have to look at ways to increase productivity with the same population levels – what happened to AI taking all our jobs, now suddenly there is a worker shortage?-
Also at some point the infrastructure and real estate market, which are already strained will not be able to take more people.
But this can be applied to most things in capitalism, infinite growth can’t be sustained forever.
I don’t know but I kanda prefer us having less population for whatever reason.
Good, need someone to paid into the ahv when I’m old
I understand the need for population growth, however constant growth as proclaimed by capitalism is not feasible if we want to reduce CO2 and improve sustainability. Living space us already limited as well. Imo it is contradictory in a way, but with the pension system and population pyramid being as it is I do not see any other imminent solution.
Terrible news. This expansion is far too fast. Promote domestic birth rates instead of bringing in masses of migrants. Strain on hospitals, daycares and schools is far too immense.
Immigration to fill vacancies is one thing, but why do we need an ever increasing population for that? Just shows how inefficient and undirected the whole thing gets handled. In 1974 there where around 6,4 Million inhabitants. We are now at 9 million, an increase of almost 50%. And no, the increase wasn’t through births, those fell below the replacement number before then. After 50 years of the same strategy we still got too few people to fill the spots in the needed places. If for every teacher that immigrates an equivalent of a school class enters too, if for every doctor hundred potential patients also immigrate, i doubt the effectivness of the whole approach. At some point the infrastructure will hit its max capacity, but will we invest the billions it needs to scale it all up? Will migration still be a net positive after that? You can dismiss it and roll your eyes, but that doesn’t change the fact that affordable living space gets rarer by the day, wages get surpressed and the infrastructure gets pushed to its limits. At some point we need to stop and reconsider what we are doing and why. If we continue with the same we did the last 50 years there will be a 10, 11, 12 million switzerland and beyond, and we most probably will still have a Fachkräftemangel. Why should it suddenly stop? Why should it suddenly change? What’s your threshold?
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‘Perfect’ news for SVP campaign propaganda!
Oh no, the world is ending, how will we manage this?
/s
What I find impressive, is seeing so many families with 3 or more kids, and not even families that are in the middle class, as far as income is concerned they would be hitting the poverty threshold.
Those kids then tend to also the same amount of kids each or even more, so the trend grows.
The sad reality is that we need the extra workforce, the amount of people reaching their retirement is exploding, which has to be financed by the current workforce, which has to be provided either through migration or swiss born reaching adulthood.
What I would like to see would be a graph that pits all factors together, such as amount of migration vs newborns vs deaths vs pensioners vs emigration vs invalids vs …etc
Also, thread will get locked Any% Speedrun, since this is a topic that tends to go south really quick.
Switzerland benefits greatly from the influx of highly skilled workers through immigration, which helps compensate for its low birth rate and aging population. Around 25% of the population is foreign-born, many contributing to key sectors like finance, pharmaceuticals, and engineering. This migration has been essential in sustaining Switzerland’s economic growth, with over 60% of the working-age population increase in recent years attributed to immigration. Switzerland consistently ranks as a global leader in innovation, and the steady flow of international talent supports its position in highly competitive industries. By attracting younger workers, immigration also helps alleviate the financial pressures of an aging society, making the Swiss economy more resilient.
And all of them are in YOUR FLAT
Oh boy! 🍿🥤
Sucks
SVP hand rubbing intensifies.
Ah yes. One of the news articles that will get exploited by certain parties. With no context and disclosure of proper data.
Like… Show me statistics for new born, retirement numbers, open jobs, active workforce vs. inactive workforce (unemployed/minors), Migrants/Immigrants statistics, general education standard. AND THEN, we can talk about if 9 million are too many or not.
Sounds like a big plus for Switzerland!🇨🇭
It’s a shame that a birth rate policy coupled with a sacralization of the nuclear families of natives = fascism and racism, otherwise we would have an alternative to the magnificent miracle of mass immigration supposed to save us from the aging population.
They took our jobs!
I get that the country needs workforce that can only be achieved through immigration -im one as well- but this growth can’t be infinitely sustained imo, at some point we have to look at ways to increase productivity with the same population levels – what happened to AI taking all our jobs, now suddenly there is a worker shortage?-
Also at some point the infrastructure and real estate market, which are already strained will not be able to take more people.
But this can be applied to most things in capitalism, infinite growth can’t be sustained forever.
I don’t know but I kanda prefer us having less population for whatever reason.
Good, need someone to paid into the ahv when I’m old
I understand the need for population growth, however constant growth as proclaimed by capitalism is not feasible if we want to reduce CO2 and improve sustainability. Living space us already limited as well. Imo it is contradictory in a way, but with the pension system and population pyramid being as it is I do not see any other imminent solution.
Terrible news. This expansion is far too fast. Promote domestic birth rates instead of bringing in masses of migrants. Strain on hospitals, daycares and schools is far too immense.
Immigration to fill vacancies is one thing, but why do we need an ever increasing population for that? Just shows how inefficient and undirected the whole thing gets handled. In 1974 there where around 6,4 Million inhabitants. We are now at 9 million, an increase of almost 50%. And no, the increase wasn’t through births, those fell below the replacement number before then. After 50 years of the same strategy we still got too few people to fill the spots in the needed places. If for every teacher that immigrates an equivalent of a school class enters too, if for every doctor hundred potential patients also immigrate, i doubt the effectivness of the whole approach. At some point the infrastructure will hit its max capacity, but will we invest the billions it needs to scale it all up? Will migration still be a net positive after that? You can dismiss it and roll your eyes, but that doesn’t change the fact that affordable living space gets rarer by the day, wages get surpressed and the infrastructure gets pushed to its limits. At some point we need to stop and reconsider what we are doing and why. If we continue with the same we did the last 50 years there will be a 10, 11, 12 million switzerland and beyond, and we most probably will still have a Fachkräftemangel. Why should it suddenly stop? Why should it suddenly change? What’s your threshold?