and there I read:
“Hierbij dient opgemerkt te worden dat er in deze cijfers geen rekening gehouden wordt met de zwaarte van de geregistreerde feiten en met het feit dat steden en gemeenten sterk kunnen verschillen op tal van aspecten die een impact kunnen hebben op de geregistreerde criminaliteit.”
So does that mean they say the theft happened but not if it was because of pickpockets or a robbery with a weapon?
I Really don’t get where these numbers come from. Never in my life have I ever met someone who got robbed with violence. Not in Flanders, Brussels, or Wallonia and I have colleagues from all over Belgium. Of course, it’s there but these numbers really don’t make sense to me.
Now I know GPI is a more holistic approach but with such supposed abysmal numbers we really shouldn’t have such a decent GPI score yet we do better than NL here?
“Nederland zakt dit jaar maar liefst 5 plaatsen en staat inmiddels op de 21e plaats van de wereld met een GPI score van 1.528. Op Europees niveau zijn we ook een plaats gezakt en bekleden we momenteel 14e plaats. We moeten Noorwegen (#13, GPI score 1.496), België (#12, GPI score 1.496) en Duitsland (#11, GPI score 1.494) ook aan ons voorbij laten gaan.”
We’re winning!
Wait…
That high? They must’ve included robbery by the government.
What an absolute bullshit again. You’re telling me that in all those touristic countries where you literally cannot walk through streets without your wallet being stolen, you get robbed less than belgium?
Never heard of anyone from family, friends or colleagues who ever got pickpocketed in belgium.
How is Albania of all places lowest?
Never got robbed, nor do I know anyone who got robbed, apart from when they were on a vacation somewhere.
Considering how the police respond when you say a crime has happened, I’m amazed it’s that high… Most of the time you’re only there to annoy them (it seems from their reaction)
can confirm. got robbed twice in my home in 32 years
I know these kind of “easy to read” data maps and 99% of them that I encounter are absolute bs. It takes 2 seconds to search this data in the local language and on their local webpages to know that they’re incorrect
I feel like those numbers are way off. It can’t be THAT much higher
I call BS at this map.
Most likely has to do with the way these crimes are reported, Belgians are **very** likely to go to the police where citiizens of other countries might not.
This is just an excuse to bash immigrants and I guarantee it’ll be used as propaganda for just that.
Nothing to rob in Albania 😃
I call bullshit on this map. Can you show the source data?
Still wondering where my bike went…
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Have been robbed once. All they managed to take was a beating.
I’ve just stolen my colleague’s Leo wafel to put us above Spain. We’re now #1! Glad to serve my country.
No link, from”landgeist” whoever that may be.
I have no reason to trust this.
Comparing Eurostat crime stats is utterly useless and they should stop publishing this kind of bullcrap.
Police stats methods in general vary from country to country, and are highly untrustworthy as such. The only things they reflect are people’s willingness to file complaints and the diligence of countries and/or their police forces to communicate whatever figures they have to Eurostat. Check their stats on e.g. sexual assault, omg them Scandinavians are all rapists while there’s nothing but altar boys in Eastern Europe; sure.
As usual, Belgium is the most zelous boy in the classroom (cfr Covid-related death stats). I’m pretty sure those figures pertain to *any* kind of registered theft with aggravating circumstances, and also the attempted ones, inflating the numbers severely compared to other countries. Also, most Belgians have insurance for pretty much everything but complaints have to be filed in order to get reimbursement…
It’s wierd, in the 2016-2019 version france jumps to 143, this is actually taken from the 2016-2018 dataset in eurostat.
I am spanish living her ein Belgium, and the only time I ever got mugged was in Glasgow (29 my ass).
My guess is that countries report different concepts to eurostat, there are a lot of robberies in spain, but mainly pick pocketing, which is probably the same here in Begium (I did get pick pocketed in Brussels years ago), the thing is that in spain “by force” is understood extremely widely in criminal law, for example.
BELGIUM NUMBER ONE
Can confirm Spain.
Especially Barcelona is deceptively unsafe for being such a well established touristy destination. Saw quite a few muggings there around the Barrio Gotico
This to me is just fake news or close to it.
Firstly, the title should be ‘police-reported robberies’ and not just ‘robberies’
Secondly, the makers should learn how to read because Eurostat clearly states: “These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions.”
At least they should include this before spreading it as so many people seem to not understand how or where this data comes from and why it’s stupid.
At least somebody in this shitty place is doing his job right 😒
What on earth is happening here that wouldn’t in neighboring countries?!
The 21% TVA is the real robbery in Belgium
I remember when I was 6 or 7 my family and I went to the beach swimming, and someone stole my clothes. So we had to go through the city, me in my swimsuit, and buy me new clothes… Why though? Who tf steals clothes of a 6y/o on the beach?
Most people don’t realise how densly populated Belgium is. We are the 7th most densly populated country in the world. If i remember correctly there are more people in Belgium than in Sweden.
So this number doesn’t surprise me. A lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds so close to each other makes a perfect environment for thieves.
Probably half of them are foreigners robbing in belgium and fleeing back.
Yeah! Finally we’re first in something else than taxes!
Say what you will, in my six years of life here in Belgium I’ve been: pickpocketed once, held at knife-point for my valuables once, aggressively threatened and harassed around noon in the open twice. Didn’t happen to me before, every single one of those had been a first. Sucks.
Additionally, where I live (driehoek Gent, Antwerp, Brussels) there are weekly home, business and car break-ins. Sometimes an entire streak in a night. Maybe some peeps don’t bother reading the local news.
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At least we are the best at something…
Edit: here we go:
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/q7fv4c/comment/hgiwaba/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Something is really off especially on some older data:
https://www.getargon.io/posts/society/crime/world-robbery-stats/
Ok so for Flanders I found this:
https://www.getargon.io/posts/society/crime/world-robbery-stats/
and there I read:
“Hierbij dient opgemerkt te worden dat er in deze cijfers geen rekening gehouden wordt met de zwaarte van de geregistreerde feiten en met het feit dat steden en gemeenten sterk kunnen verschillen op tal van aspecten die een impact kunnen hebben op de geregistreerde criminaliteit.”
So does that mean they say the theft happened but not if it was because of pickpockets or a robbery with a weapon?
I Really don’t get where these numbers come from. Never in my life have I ever met someone who got robbed with violence. Not in Flanders, Brussels, or Wallonia and I have colleagues from all over Belgium. Of course, it’s there but these numbers really don’t make sense to me.
Also, it’s not the first time:
https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20191103_04698028
On top of that we have the Global Peace Index:
https://www.wereldreizigers.nl/wereldwijs/veiligste-gevaarlijkste-landen-europa/
Now I know GPI is a more holistic approach but with such supposed abysmal numbers we really shouldn’t have such a decent GPI score yet we do better than NL here?
“Nederland zakt dit jaar maar liefst 5 plaatsen en staat inmiddels op de 21e plaats van de wereld met een GPI score van 1.528. Op Europees niveau zijn we ook een plaats gezakt en bekleden we momenteel 14e plaats. We moeten Noorwegen (#13, GPI score 1.496), België (#12, GPI score 1.496) en Duitsland (#11, GPI score 1.494) ook aan ons voorbij laten gaan.”
We’re winning!
Wait…
That high? They must’ve included robbery by the government.
What an absolute bullshit again. You’re telling me that in all those touristic countries where you literally cannot walk through streets without your wallet being stolen, you get robbed less than belgium?
Never heard of anyone from family, friends or colleagues who ever got pickpocketed in belgium.
How is Albania of all places lowest?
Never got robbed, nor do I know anyone who got robbed, apart from when they were on a vacation somewhere.
Considering how the police respond when you say a crime has happened, I’m amazed it’s that high… Most of the time you’re only there to annoy them (it seems from their reaction)
can confirm. got robbed twice in my home in 32 years
I know these kind of “easy to read” data maps and 99% of them that I encounter are absolute bs. It takes 2 seconds to search this data in the local language and on their local webpages to know that they’re incorrect
I feel like those numbers are way off. It can’t be THAT much higher
I call BS at this map.
Most likely has to do with the way these crimes are reported, Belgians are **very** likely to go to the police where citiizens of other countries might not.
This is just an excuse to bash immigrants and I guarantee it’ll be used as propaganda for just that.
Nothing to rob in Albania 😃
I call bullshit on this map. Can you show the source data?
Still wondering where my bike went…
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Have been robbed once. All they managed to take was a beating.
I’ve just stolen my colleague’s Leo wafel to put us above Spain. We’re now #1! Glad to serve my country.
No link, from”landgeist” whoever that may be.
I have no reason to trust this.
Comparing Eurostat crime stats is utterly useless and they should stop publishing this kind of bullcrap.
Police stats methods in general vary from country to country, and are highly untrustworthy as such. The only things they reflect are people’s willingness to file complaints and the diligence of countries and/or their police forces to communicate whatever figures they have to Eurostat. Check their stats on e.g. sexual assault, omg them Scandinavians are all rapists while there’s nothing but altar boys in Eastern Europe; sure.
As usual, Belgium is the most zelous boy in the classroom (cfr Covid-related death stats). I’m pretty sure those figures pertain to *any* kind of registered theft with aggravating circumstances, and also the attempted ones, inflating the numbers severely compared to other countries. Also, most Belgians have insurance for pretty much everything but complaints have to be filed in order to get reimbursement…
It’s wierd, in the 2016-2019 version france jumps to 143, this is actually taken from the 2016-2018 dataset in eurostat.
I am spanish living her ein Belgium, and the only time I ever got mugged was in Glasgow (29 my ass).
My guess is that countries report different concepts to eurostat, there are a lot of robberies in spain, but mainly pick pocketing, which is probably the same here in Begium (I did get pick pocketed in Brussels years ago), the thing is that in spain “by force” is understood extremely widely in criminal law, for example.
BELGIUM NUMBER ONE
Can confirm Spain.
Especially Barcelona is deceptively unsafe for being such a well established touristy destination. Saw quite a few muggings there around the Barrio Gotico
This to me is just fake news or close to it.
Firstly, the title should be ‘police-reported robberies’ and not just ‘robberies’
Secondly, the makers should learn how to read because Eurostat clearly states: “These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions.”
At least they should include this before spreading it as so many people seem to not understand how or where this data comes from and why it’s stupid.
At least somebody in this shitty place is doing his job right 😒
What on earth is happening here that wouldn’t in neighboring countries?!
The 21% TVA is the real robbery in Belgium
I remember when I was 6 or 7 my family and I went to the beach swimming, and someone stole my clothes. So we had to go through the city, me in my swimsuit, and buy me new clothes… Why though? Who tf steals clothes of a 6y/o on the beach?
Most people don’t realise how densly populated Belgium is. We are the 7th most densly populated country in the world. If i remember correctly there are more people in Belgium than in Sweden.
So this number doesn’t surprise me. A lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds so close to each other makes a perfect environment for thieves.
Probably half of them are foreigners robbing in belgium and fleeing back.
Yeah! Finally we’re first in something else than taxes!
Say what you will, in my six years of life here in Belgium I’ve been: pickpocketed once, held at knife-point for my valuables once, aggressively threatened and harassed around noon in the open twice. Didn’t happen to me before, every single one of those had been a first. Sucks.
Additionally, where I live (driehoek Gent, Antwerp, Brussels) there are weekly home, business and car break-ins. Sometimes an entire streak in a night. Maybe some peeps don’t bother reading the local news.
The map does not include data for Vatican City.
Reports from earlier years suggest that Vatican City has the highest crime rates (petty crime especially) worldwide. See [info here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Vatican_City#Petty_crimes_per_capita).
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I wonder why
Our police is fucking terrible so not surprised. Most incompetent people on the planet.