Yes well if you try change the dynamic of an established neighbourhood the local residents are likely to object.
D6 house prices go brrrrrrr.
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Ireland needs a minimum of 500,000 additional housing units, but good luck getting approval to build even one. Housing prices will remain astronomical until a very, very large number of new units are built.
> Milltown residents claim build-to-rent scheme would create ‘ghettoised population’
Are people required to elaborate on their objections or are they taken at face value?
I’ve no idea how people can look at the massive lack of houses around Dublin, then all the headlines like this every other day of the week and not see how the two are connected
Will these people just fucking stop. We do still need rentals. We cant just uniformly build 5 bed detached houses
The proposed apartment block must be ugly as shit if it’s apparently more “harmful to the visual amenities of the area” than a BMW garage. It’s ridiculous these kind of objections are entertained in a housing crisis – I hope they win on appeal.
The article makes out that it was planning issues that got the build denied, not the objections?
Looks like they hadn’t done their due diligence with pedestrian crossings etc.
I think I speak for everyone when I say it’s probably time to invest as much as possible outside of Dublin. Dublin City Council doesn’t want houses, so let’s try and give shops, businesses, etc a reason to be in other places and build houses there.
*shows picture of BMW dealership*
I don’t understand this. Don’t live in Dublin 6 if you don’t want increased density of housing.
3 apartment blocks have been built in Harold’s Cross, D6W, in the last couple of years ([mount argus 180 apartments](https://mountargusdublin.com/), [St Clare’s park 220 apartments](https://stclarespark.ie/) and soon to be finished, [91 apartments on the old cinema site](https://www.manahanplanners.com/mixed-use-development-at-the-former-classic-cinema-site)). The only impact has been lots of lovely new cafes and restaurants opening up in the area and a revamp of the pubs in the area, with a great beer garden opened in Peggy Kelly’s pub. There doesn’t appear to be any “ghettoisation” in the area, aside from the [salvation army family homeless shelter](https://www.salvationarmy.org.uk/houben-house-family-hub), run out of the mount argus church. It’s certainly not from the build to rent, luxury apartments each with their own gym, cinema room and concierge. If anything, I imagine all the new facilities in Harold’s cross and Kimmage have increased the values of existing houses in the area.
And really what do they expect in that location, so close to town?
There’s a huge class issue in this country
I don’t believe (even with sensationalist headlines), the Irish people are fooled with good vs bad for society at large!
Why are so many developments build to rent?
Since there a lot of pitchforks being sharpened here, I though I’d have a read of the Planners Report to see what the craic is here.
The area is predominantly 2 storey residential, the proposal involves 4,5, & 6 storey blocks.
It is comprised of 1 & 2 bed units only, with communal cooking spaces in the basement.
There are quite a few north facing units for the 1 beds, so you get no direct sunlight at any time of the day.
DCC also unhappy with the quality of private open space to the residents and the overlooking to existing residents.
Here’s how this works, and this is genuinely to help inform folk – the Planning Authority puts out a book every 5 years called the Development Plan. Its basically a list of do’s and dont’s. How high you can go in a certain area, how many car parking spaces are required, there’s little it doesn’t provide guidance on.
If you don’t have enough room to put a fleet of car parking spaces, but are beside a Luas / high frequency bus route, they will take a reasonable approach. The designers here have been greedy and a bit miserable in the accommodation proposed, and even if there wasn’t a single objection from the neighbours, it would still have been thrown out.
Its too big, not the right area for a mini tower block without impacting the neighbours, the quality of private open space is poor. Bicycles on balconies, territory.
It will be tweaked and they’ll be be re-submitted, but here’s the kicker – there’s not a single kitchen in any of these units. One has to go to the basement, to a communal kitchen and do up yer rashers and sausages before dragging it back upstairs. Same for yer laundry, & luggage storage.
If anyone here thinks that’s an acceptable housing offering in this day and age, I’ll happily take your downvote.
If this site came my way (strugglin Architect) I’d try for 8 – 10 3/4 bed houses because it’s the right response to the character of the area, and you’d provide actual housing in the fraction of the time it takes to hoof out basements and build apartments.
TL:DR The Irish Times headline is click bait, locals had little to do with it being turned down, the developers failed to meet 4 statutory pieces of design guidelines.
Housing scheme proposed.
Social media: OMG this is only for millionaires, not affordable for the common man. It will only drive up prices.
Residents: This is only for the lower classes and will depreciate the value of my asset.
Good. More hotels please.
Edit: you people are idiots
ah come on lads. The council always rejects. Thats their thing. Then the Bord steps in and approves. Long live Bord Pleanala.
Seems like a cheap article to me. Planning for developments like this is very often refused for lots of valid reasons like density. The developers will review the refusal, make changes and reapply until they get it.
NiMBY objections get people angry but probably didn’t have much to do with the refusal.
Was this voted on by Councillors or did officials block it?
😅 these people are nuts. Their are tonnes of Facebook pages against these types of developments, Reddit is very pro building literally anything but the nimbyism outside of this group is surprisingly strong. It’s disappointing that people could be such arseholes using nonsense reasons to pretend they just don’t want more people in their area despite it being the capital 😂
I guess we don’t need more housing? 🙄
They are worried that it will form some getto or some bullshit what do they think they will be
Rolling down the street, smokin indo, sippin gin and juice? What’s so bad if they are LAYYYED BACK, and got their mind on their money and money on their mind?
Cos i think they probably sound like
“it’s like this and like that and like that and a,
it’s like this and like that and like that and a ,
it’s like this and like that and like this and a”
trying to come up with more bullshit excuses to block it
Get used to seeing more headlines like this now that the fast-track planning system has been phased out in favour of more something more “democratic” with “buy-in from local residents”. Which is just coded language for the local home-owners obstructing new developments wherever possible.
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Yes well if you try change the dynamic of an established neighbourhood the local residents are likely to object.
D6 house prices go brrrrrrr.
[deleted]
Ireland needs a minimum of 500,000 additional housing units, but good luck getting approval to build even one. Housing prices will remain astronomical until a very, very large number of new units are built.
> Milltown residents claim build-to-rent scheme would create ‘ghettoised population’
Are people required to elaborate on their objections or are they taken at face value?
I’ve no idea how people can look at the massive lack of houses around Dublin, then all the headlines like this every other day of the week and not see how the two are connected
Will these people just fucking stop. We do still need rentals. We cant just uniformly build 5 bed detached houses
The proposed apartment block must be ugly as shit if it’s apparently more “harmful to the visual amenities of the area” than a BMW garage. It’s ridiculous these kind of objections are entertained in a housing crisis – I hope they win on appeal.
The article makes out that it was planning issues that got the build denied, not the objections?
Looks like they hadn’t done their due diligence with pedestrian crossings etc.
I think I speak for everyone when I say it’s probably time to invest as much as possible outside of Dublin. Dublin City Council doesn’t want houses, so let’s try and give shops, businesses, etc a reason to be in other places and build houses there.
*shows picture of BMW dealership*
I don’t understand this. Don’t live in Dublin 6 if you don’t want increased density of housing.
3 apartment blocks have been built in Harold’s Cross, D6W, in the last couple of years ([mount argus 180 apartments](https://mountargusdublin.com/), [St Clare’s park 220 apartments](https://stclarespark.ie/) and soon to be finished, [91 apartments on the old cinema site](https://www.manahanplanners.com/mixed-use-development-at-the-former-classic-cinema-site)). The only impact has been lots of lovely new cafes and restaurants opening up in the area and a revamp of the pubs in the area, with a great beer garden opened in Peggy Kelly’s pub. There doesn’t appear to be any “ghettoisation” in the area, aside from the [salvation army family homeless shelter](https://www.salvationarmy.org.uk/houben-house-family-hub), run out of the mount argus church. It’s certainly not from the build to rent, luxury apartments each with their own gym, cinema room and concierge. If anything, I imagine all the new facilities in Harold’s cross and Kimmage have increased the values of existing houses in the area.
And really what do they expect in that location, so close to town?
There’s a huge class issue in this country
I don’t believe (even with sensationalist headlines), the Irish people are fooled with good vs bad for society at large!
Why are so many developments build to rent?
Since there a lot of pitchforks being sharpened here, I though I’d have a read of the Planners Report to see what the craic is here.
The area is predominantly 2 storey residential, the proposal involves 4,5, & 6 storey blocks.
It is comprised of 1 & 2 bed units only, with communal cooking spaces in the basement.
There are quite a few north facing units for the 1 beds, so you get no direct sunlight at any time of the day.
DCC also unhappy with the quality of private open space to the residents and the overlooking to existing residents.
Here’s how this works, and this is genuinely to help inform folk – the Planning Authority puts out a book every 5 years called the Development Plan. Its basically a list of do’s and dont’s. How high you can go in a certain area, how many car parking spaces are required, there’s little it doesn’t provide guidance on.
If you don’t have enough room to put a fleet of car parking spaces, but are beside a Luas / high frequency bus route, they will take a reasonable approach. The designers here have been greedy and a bit miserable in the accommodation proposed, and even if there wasn’t a single objection from the neighbours, it would still have been thrown out.
Its too big, not the right area for a mini tower block without impacting the neighbours, the quality of private open space is poor. Bicycles on balconies, territory.
It will be tweaked and they’ll be be re-submitted, but here’s the kicker – there’s not a single kitchen in any of these units. One has to go to the basement, to a communal kitchen and do up yer rashers and sausages before dragging it back upstairs. Same for yer laundry, & luggage storage.
If anyone here thinks that’s an acceptable housing offering in this day and age, I’ll happily take your downvote.
If this site came my way (strugglin Architect) I’d try for 8 – 10 3/4 bed houses because it’s the right response to the character of the area, and you’d provide actual housing in the fraction of the time it takes to hoof out basements and build apartments.
TL:DR The Irish Times headline is click bait, locals had little to do with it being turned down, the developers failed to meet 4 statutory pieces of design guidelines.
Housing scheme proposed.
Social media: OMG this is only for millionaires, not affordable for the common man. It will only drive up prices.
Residents: This is only for the lower classes and will depreciate the value of my asset.
Good. More hotels please.
Edit: you people are idiots
ah come on lads. The council always rejects. Thats their thing. Then the Bord steps in and approves. Long live Bord Pleanala.
Seems like a cheap article to me. Planning for developments like this is very often refused for lots of valid reasons like density. The developers will review the refusal, make changes and reapply until they get it.
NiMBY objections get people angry but probably didn’t have much to do with the refusal.
Was this voted on by Councillors or did officials block it?
😅 these people are nuts. Their are tonnes of Facebook pages against these types of developments, Reddit is very pro building literally anything but the nimbyism outside of this group is surprisingly strong. It’s disappointing that people could be such arseholes using nonsense reasons to pretend they just don’t want more people in their area despite it being the capital 😂
I guess we don’t need more housing? 🙄
They are worried that it will form some getto or some bullshit what do they think they will be
Rolling down the street, smokin indo, sippin gin and juice? What’s so bad if they are LAYYYED BACK, and got their mind on their money and money on their mind?
Cos i think they probably sound like
“it’s like this and like that and like that and a,
it’s like this and like that and like that and a ,
it’s like this and like that and like this and a”
trying to come up with more bullshit excuses to block it
Get used to seeing more headlines like this now that the fast-track planning system has been phased out in favour of more something more “democratic” with “buy-in from local residents”. Which is just coded language for the local home-owners obstructing new developments wherever possible.