No tax rises in payslips for ‘working people’, vows minister

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c789915n5elo

by GeoWa

37 comments

  1. In payslips… so tax rises are coming for working people, they’re just trying to hide them. Thanks

  2. No *direct obvious* tax rises. Just indirect ones, based on a specifically narrow definition of “working people”.

  3. What’s the definition of working people?
    That were the meat of the argument is? Because if they tax middle-income people that are struggling as well because the cost-of-living crisis is so high, mortgage rates through the roof all they’re gonna do is guarantee one term!

  4. They’ll then say if you’re earning over 70k you’re not a working person

  5. Does anyone else find this inane?

    Labour need to put up taxes. Yes they implied they wouldn’t in the general election. I don’t care.

    Just say taxes need to go up because the economy is worse than we thought, sorry we said we wouldn’t, we are endevouring to make the tax rises as minimally painful as possible but we’ve got some y really huge bills to pay.

    Why must politicians get into silly arguments about the definition of a working person instead of just saying sorry, the facts have changed so our fiscal plan is also changing. I don’t get why there’s such an aversion to honesty. Contrast to Wes Streeting who came out and said yes, the NHS is ducked, we need i to fix it. We can take brutal honesty.

  6. OMG can we not just wait for the budget, yes Labour could be handling this better, but this obsession with semantics is just diverting attention from what we should be talking about which is, well erm, i guess its a slow week.

  7. Not yet anyway. It’ll all be fair game in a year’s time once the people shafted by CGT changes decide to hold onto their assets until the next government comes in and reverses them.

  8. How it should be, people who actually co tribute to society have been rinsed for years and made to act like slaves to passive income landlords who ate now panicking over minor tax changes. Utter leeches, party’s over for them I’m afraid..

  9. Someone needs to tell them how Umbrella companies work. The ones that many contractors have been forced to use buy the last round of purely thought through tax meddling.

    If you’re paid through an umbrella, this absolutely *will* reduce your take-home.

  10. Yes there are though. No new policies sure. But Boris and Rishi’s personal allowance freeze until 2028 will mean if I have a small payrise in January to counteract inflation, I will pay more tax because of the magic 12570 number. That policy is taking thousands of pounds throughout its active time on ‘working’ people.

  11. This Gaslighting is so frustrating;
    – ENICs is printed on my payslip.
    – ONS, OBR, IMF & Reeves herself (2021) agree ENICs is tax on working people – paid for by employee’s
    – Income Tax and NI freezes will absolutely appear on payslip

    Stop the lying, be honest; Labour are raising taxes on working people to pay for better public services. Many people support that policy and it means we can start building trust.

  12. What a ridiculous lie, when they’re raising billions in tax from ordinary working people’s payslips via freezing thresholds

    Which is a big tax rise that Labour and Tories alike love to assert on people’s payslips

  13. Taxation should be fine, as long as wages rise relative to inflation. Can’t have one without the other.

  14. So, employer NI contributions, etc. I guess lot of a people can then also expect to not receive pay rises or bonuses at the end of the financial year.

  15. I am a contractor. The employer NI is taken from my daily rate. Any increase Employer NI will directly hit my take home pay because you can bet your life the employer won’t be obliged to increase the day rate to compensate.

  16. The self employed will be slammed as usual – because we have to pay the employers NI contribution. But i suppose its important to kill of that pesky gig economy.

  17. Waited 14 years for a Labour government.

    Still seem to be waiting. Such a disappointment.

  18. BS, they will just come indirectly by higher prices on everything and less choice overall.

  19. Fixing income tax brackets until 2030 – aka, a direct tax on working people.

  20. I get a payslip, and the NI rise will come straight out of my take home.

  21. Have said this elsewhere; is this a shot at tightening up IR35 further?

  23. From the same sort of politicians who say freezing tax brackets isn’t a tax increase.

    If the % tax I pay before my take home pay achieves the same living standards raises then my tax has gone up.

    Fully expect other tax increases all over the place whether it’s VAT, council tax or something else you don’t even think of.

  24. I’m not going to comment in the rights and wrongs increasing tax, but a rise in employer’s national insurance contributions is a tax on working people – it’s all a cost to an employer for employing someone.

  25. Higher employer NI contributions is a tax rise on us ALL. There is NO SUCH THING as an economic action without a reaction. Get ready for price increases and even slower growth.

  26. The thing that most excites me about this upcoming budget is an end to all of this incredibly tedious speculation.

  27. Just no payrise when April comes around because you’ve put employer NI up

  28. Just admit that “working people” will need to pay more tax if we want to sustain our welfare state.

  29. Freezing the basic rate of tax is a tax increase in all but name

  30. Except if you pay the employers national insurance out of your payslip.

  31. No, just for people who have tried to do the sensible thing and earn some income outside of work

  32. They’ve been doing this with quantitative easing for so long, your granpa and granma have been touched with secret taxes.

  33. Wonder how many landlords, in a questionnaire, would describe themselves as “working person”, as opposed to “owner of property empire” or “entrepreneur”?

  34. Cowards. We’re all going to get hit with any tax rise or new tax so just raise the tax you need to raise rather than fucking things up in the future to save face. Make the tough call don’t be a fucking coward.

  35. She means it’s coming for self-assessment HMRC returns that self-employed and those with other income such as assets, shares and property.

  36. If they come for ISAs I’m going to join the Tory party membership 

  37. No the tax rises are in prolonging the upper band freeze and increasing employer NI meaning you won’t get a pay rise next year

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