Streeting told us sex is biological, say nurses in changing-room row

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/streeting-told-us-sex-is-biological-say-nurses-in-changing-room-row-ss65l8w5d

by ParkedUpWithCoffee

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  3. I’m confident that anyone who thinks people should use the toilets and changing rooms of their gender at birth would have issues with a trans man, with full beard and deep voice, using women’s spaces. And it would enable cis male predators to lie and say they’re actually trans men and walk into these spaces too. Unless you’re going to start examining people’s genitals and their medical records before they can use these spaces.

    Just saying “if you were born with a dick just use the men’s toilets, if you were born with a vagina use the ladies” doesn’t solve anything, it makes things worse.

  4. Sex is biological. Nobody disputes that.

    It’s about gender.

    The fact that this balloon head doesn’t even understand the meaning of the words shows he’s not remotely interested in the subject and should shut up

  5. Sex is biological—I don’t think many disagree with that. That however isn’t the question which people are ‘really’ debating and we need to stop pretending it is (I’ve seen several things recently like an interview with Dawkins where they portrayed it as THE discussion):

    1. Is gender/gender identity/gender performance different to sex and can someones gender be different to their sex?
    2. If there are people whose gender is different from their sex (which the very existence of Trans people would indicate is the situation)–how should those people be treated in society? Which element of the person (birth sex or percieved gender) do we think is more important/central to their functioning in society and how society interacts with them…….essentially which toilet should they get access to?
    3. What is to be done for those who don’t like the decision (either way) that is made by society in answer to question 2 (as many have pointed out if it is decided sex is most important I’m sure no one will complain about trans men accessing female spaces like toilets and gym changing rooms)

  6. They weren’t even told to they had to use the same changing room as the trans woman at the hospital, and were given an alternative. Their problem is solely that _she_ wasn’t forced into the alternative.

    Not at all scary that one of the highest ministers of the left-leaning government in this country is now nodding along to people who want to basically mandate trans people’s lives become a spectacle for what amounts to a matter of principle.

  7. Sex *is* biological, that really isn’t a debate point

  8. Can we just move to unisex bathrooms everywhere and be done with this debate?

  9. Sex is biological. Gender not so much. This is the position of me and most of my queer friends.

  10. Look past the headline and see who Streeting is associating with. This group are horrific, and are the exact types of Christian facists who are destroying America.

  11. Guys guys guys, I have a solution.

    We simply have medically qualified bouncers on the door of every toilet and every changing room across the country. When you walk up to the door the bouncer inspects your genitals and does some very intrusive medical tests to see if your gender aligns with your sex before deciding whether or not you can take a shit.

    Easy.

  12. Christian concern has direct links to the Christian Legal Centre that opposes homosexuality, same-sex marriage, pre-marital sex, and pornography, enough said these women are at best exaggerating and more then likely straight up making everything up,

    Also

    >2018, Christian Concern criticised the Anglican church for supporting civil partnerships; arguing against civil unions, Christian Concern stated that “Legal recognition of same-sex relationships should not have been given in the first place

  13. Wes Streeting is a spineless man who has done a complete u-turn regarding the platitudes he has spoken about this issue and it shows he has no real convictions on the matter and only wants to say whatever he thinks is popular! 😑

  14. I really don’t like Wes Streeting. Despite people seeing him as a great moderate and speaker, he is pretty transphobic, and not the person to be Health Secretary.

  15. Did he say gender is biological though? Or that sex and gender are the same thing?

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