Yes, which is why successive governments from all parties have done their damndest to break them.
Fortunately they have not wholely succeeded. Yet.
Something something something 1970s, something something something three-day-week, something something something hold country to ransom…
Thought I’d save the self absorbed the job of making all the same tired arguments against collective bargaining.
“But the strike will be inconvenient or otherwise disruptive so you should hate the people striking” is the oldest trick in the divide and conquer book. Male people willingly walk into serfdom by making them feel guilty for working towards better conditions.
There is a good reason why the party of the bosses despise trade unions and its nothing to do with unions.
While I agree with this, I also remember the 70’s and how some of the unions abused their power and ended up thinking they were more important than the companies that created their jobs and were happy to end up without jobs / the company just to spite the companies.
Fucking flying pickets, “down tools” and “everyone out” the instant the union boss didn’t get everything their way, votes held by a show of hands in public, no actual counted votes, with placed “friends” of the union leaders in the crowd to make sure people voted “as demanded”, no democracy at times just “everyone must do as the union boss demanded” they helped destroy the very industries that gave them their jobs with their “go slow” and other such BS.
Yes unions can be very good, but they have a history of some of them getting too powerful at times and thinking they exist only to enrich / empower the union bosses.
It’s a case of they are needed, but there also needs to be some way of keeping them in check and keeping them democratic to stop a return to the bad old days of semi dictator union bosses.
I seriously don’t understand people who complain about the unions in the past. They seem like they were great! The balance of power has done a 180 since back then.
People complain about things like…getting paid a decent wage, not having to overwork, getting extra holiday. Is it conditioning or what??
I like the concept of a Union, but I just get the impression that they end up a bit corrupt once they get a bit of power.
Yes. Unions are a vital thing for workers. Not just the protection they offer but the thing they achieve. Collective bargaining is the best way to get improved wages, terms and conditions. I don’t understand why so many people are so reluctant to join one.
I’m in a union and it’s good, we collectively bargain and have very set terms of engagement with management. Downside is useless fuckers get protected but overall low price to pay
Both the Tories and Starmer’s Labour want to break what they see as the Unions hold on workers rights in the UK. It feels like both sides are finally completing what Thatcher set out to do. Still I guess that’s to be expected.
The unions have been colonised by blairte types. teachers health care have completely caved and failed to offer any real support and lobbying in the past 2 decades.
They step up when its all far to late to do any thing other than threaten to strike. As soon as that happens the media step in with the narratives of selfish disruption.
One of the most deceptive and disingenuous is the BMA. Absolute scoundrels. who backed the primary care networks. in case you didn’t know in england now you dont have a GP you are part of a network. no more gp lists.
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Yes, which is why successive governments from all parties have done their damndest to break them.
Fortunately they have not wholely succeeded. Yet.
Something something something 1970s, something something something three-day-week, something something something hold country to ransom…
Thought I’d save the self absorbed the job of making all the same tired arguments against collective bargaining.
“But the strike will be inconvenient or otherwise disruptive so you should hate the people striking” is the oldest trick in the divide and conquer book. Male people willingly walk into serfdom by making them feel guilty for working towards better conditions.
There is a good reason why the party of the bosses despise trade unions and its nothing to do with unions.
While I agree with this, I also remember the 70’s and how some of the unions abused their power and ended up thinking they were more important than the companies that created their jobs and were happy to end up without jobs / the company just to spite the companies.
Fucking flying pickets, “down tools” and “everyone out” the instant the union boss didn’t get everything their way, votes held by a show of hands in public, no actual counted votes, with placed “friends” of the union leaders in the crowd to make sure people voted “as demanded”, no democracy at times just “everyone must do as the union boss demanded” they helped destroy the very industries that gave them their jobs with their “go slow” and other such BS.
Yes unions can be very good, but they have a history of some of them getting too powerful at times and thinking they exist only to enrich / empower the union bosses.
It’s a case of they are needed, but there also needs to be some way of keeping them in check and keeping them democratic to stop a return to the bad old days of semi dictator union bosses.
I seriously don’t understand people who complain about the unions in the past. They seem like they were great! The balance of power has done a 180 since back then.
People complain about things like…getting paid a decent wage, not having to overwork, getting extra holiday. Is it conditioning or what??
I like the concept of a Union, but I just get the impression that they end up a bit corrupt once they get a bit of power.
Yes. Unions are a vital thing for workers. Not just the protection they offer but the thing they achieve. Collective bargaining is the best way to get improved wages, terms and conditions. I don’t understand why so many people are so reluctant to join one.
I’m in a union and it’s good, we collectively bargain and have very set terms of engagement with management. Downside is useless fuckers get protected but overall low price to pay
Both the Tories and Starmer’s Labour want to break what they see as the Unions hold on workers rights in the UK. It feels like both sides are finally completing what Thatcher set out to do. Still I guess that’s to be expected.
The unions have been colonised by blairte types. teachers health care have completely caved and failed to offer any real support and lobbying in the past 2 decades.
They step up when its all far to late to do any thing other than threaten to strike. As soon as that happens the media step in with the narratives of selfish disruption.
One of the most deceptive and disingenuous is the BMA. Absolute scoundrels. who backed the primary care networks. in case you didn’t know in england now you dont have a GP you are part of a network. no more gp lists.