Moerman, B. (2016, april 13). Belgische singles zwaarst belast van hele wereld. Het Nieuwsblad, p. 11.
Sad state of affairs 🙁
Any of you guys wants to get married for fiscal reasons?
Fuck I’m getting married.
Enlighten me, how is this worse since yesterday?
And that’s why it’s nonsense to talk about netto salary because you don’t know the personnal situation of the person you compare yourself to.
Always compare yearly gross salary.
Personally I was saving money like a madman when I was single and sole responsible of the money purse.
Now I’m what they call “wettelijk samen” with two kids and it’s much more difficult to save money.
Maybe people that have kids are also facing higher costs and do benefit from a tax cut as single don’t face the same costs. (That sentence is a /s for Reddit)
Also, I wonder how they are calculating a 49.45% tax rate on the 31k Bruto of Peter.
The marginal tax rate is as such in Belgium:
– 25% from 0 to 13.340€
– 40% from 13.341 to 23.720€
– 45% from 23.721 to 41.060€
– 50% from 41.051 to infinity
So Peter should pay:
– 25% on 12340€
– 40% on 10380€
– 45% on 7564€
So a total of 10.890€ of tax for a bruto of 31284 which is 35% of his yearly gross wage and not 49,45%
I smell bullshit.
Gave half my earnings to the government and never even got a thank you. I went to the tax office one time fully expecting to get a coffee and a piece of pie for all these years of faithfully paying my taxes and they would hardly give me the time of the day!
My girlfriends thesis about this subject (keep in mind that she has dyslexia and speaks 4 languages so sentences may have some quirks to them) :
Ik vraag mij altijd af of ze in zo’n studies ook rekening houden met BTW en accijnzen en van die dingen. Iemand?
So what would it be for high earning couples? When comparing people with similar wages the difference doesnt seem to high other than the single dad. Would this matter much for middle to high end earners?
And with the remaining 40% you can buy stuff taxed at another 21%.
“Ever since I met you I knew you were the one I wanted to pay less taxes with. Will you marry me?”
Het is toch wel erg gesteld eigenlijk. Ze doen niks anders dan ‘scheiden’ en ‘single zijn’ te promoten in de boekskes en gazetten en andere media en dan zijn er nog van die zotten die daarin trappen ook. Lang leven het gezinsleven!
If Belgian politicians are going to interpret this demand, they’re going to increase the taxes for married people to match the tax rate of singles, not the other way around. Can’t we all agree that everyone pays too much taxes?
Yea.. all the politicians in 2016: Oh let’s fix this.
Reality in 2021: Oh we made it worse.
Business as usual.
Not quite. The BBSZ *usually* disadvantages singles, so removing it advantages them.
In other words: it’s too complicated, good riddance.
Isn’t this just a different (more pessimistic) point of view? The other groups (such as married people) get benefits because it’s a more preferred situation (less infrastructure needed for housing) or a higher cost (raising children costs money).
I don’t see why single people should get tax cuts.
>open vld pleit voor bescherming alleenstaanden
This is a reason why quite a number of single people end up starting a self employment job after hours (bijberoep). If you have e.g. a hobby that you can exploit, create a self employed activity around it and subtract all the costs you would have normally anyway as professional costs. You end up with some extra revenue sometimes but your purchases now have less tax burden on them.
Plus points if you end up with a loss at the end of the year cause you get some of your paid taxes back (from your main profession). Just make sure you have a bit of profit from your activity every 2-3 years so the tax administration doesn’t flag you for closer investigation.
The images in this article alone cause so many questions…
Youssef earns 77.977 bruto (167%). Elena en Koen also earn 167% of the average wage together. Somehow their bruto wage is more than 1k eur lower… Maths is hard.
Generally these images compare people with a single income to families or couples with similar combined (!) incomes. No shit that results in lower taxes. If they were taxed individually as singles on these low incomes, they’d also fall into lower tax brackets.
The closest we can come to comparing; assuming the numbers are correct, are wouter and sam vs peter. Wouter and Sam as couple earn almost double that of peter. They’re taxed 1.77% less. I agree that shouldn’t exist; they should be taxed equally.
The difference of this 1.77% less tax on a full year is lower than the fiscal advantage of a salary car in a month…
Does someone want to go to brussels to protest? A bit like the yellow vests in france. Maybe block the entrance of some schools?
And it’s not getting better any time soon.
Onze staat heeft wel nog steeds niet echt graag vrouwen en migranten, Jolien betaald meer dan Peter en Youssef betaald meer dan Jolien… /s Al verdien ze telkens wel een pak meer.
Sofie en Wim mogen ze ook wel wat meer belasten daar het tweeverdieners zijn en Wouter en Sam ook want daar komen geen kinderen van. /s
Maybe tax some of those richy Rich people instead of singles making 40.000€ a year.
And the stats don’t even touch on middle class.
Can someone give me a translated summary please? Ik spreek geen nederlands
Netto per volwassene gesorteerd op basis van brutoinkomen per persoon:
||Bruto|Aantal Volwassenen|Kinderen?|Berekening|Netto per volwassene|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Jonas en Annelies|100% + 0%|2|Ja|`(1.00/2) * (100-40.41)`|29.80%|
|Peter|67%|1|Nee|`0.67 * (100-49.45)`|33.87%|
|Wouter en Sam|100% + 33%|2|Nee|`(1.33/2) * (100-47.68)`|34.80%|
|Sofie en Wim|100% + 33%|2|Ja|`(1.33/2) * (100-41.38)`|38.98%|
|Jan|67%|1|Ja|`0.67 * (100-35.78)`|43.03%|
|Elena en Koen|100% + 67%|2|Ja|`(1.67/2) * (100-48.31)`|43.16%|
|Jolien|100%|1|Nee|`1.00 * (100-55.31)`|44.69%|
|Youssef|167%|1|Nee|`1.67 * (100-60.69)`|65.65%|
Conclusie:
– Als aleenstaande heb je netto per volwassene ongeveer evenveel als dat je met 2 personen bent.
– Als je kinderen hebt, heb je netto wat meer.
– Een aleenstaande met kinderen heeft per volwassene netto meer dan een koppel met kinderen.
– Als je bruto per persoon meer inkomsten hebt, gaat je netto er ook op vooruit.
– Yussef moet niet klagen, want hij heeft per persoon nog altijd netto meer dan alle anderen per persoon, en zelfs meer dan Jonas en Annelies samen, en dat zonder kinderen.
Perfect voorbeeld waarom journalistiek echt een pak beter moet.
Geen enkel geval is onderling vergelijkbaar. Riooljournalistiek dus.
In de personenbelasting betaalt een single geen euro meer dan een persoon die evenveel verdient als deel van een gezin.
Hoewel er veel beter kan aangepakt worden moeten we misschien ook beseffen dat alleen wonen gewoon ook duurder is voor de maatschappij en dus hoger belast worden niet meer dan normaal.
Bijvoorbeeld, het kadastraal inkomen is een belasting op de kost voor de Staat van een huis, het is geen belasting op een persoon. Niet meer dan logisch dat die belasting dus inderdaad zwaarder doorweegt op een single.
Waarom is het fiscaal goedkoper om met twee samen te wonen dan om alleen te wonen?
Stop eating avocados and get yourself a girlfriend!
Verschiet ervan dat ze het nu bekend maken. Toen ik single was, zei ik dat ook op de enkele single vrienden en collega’s na interesseerde het niemand. Triestig.
Ik ga op deze thread is naar “controversial” want ik denk dat daar de echte meningen te vinden zijn.
This is all due to incredibly unnecessary complex tax rules. I mean the rate should be flat with a fixed % reduction if you have kids.
Iemand zin in een schijnhuwelijk met 2 fictieve kinderen?
Zwitserland 22%. Raclette it is.
When the governement earns more from your job than you self…
How giving more than 50% of the money you worked for back to the state (and its 6 governments) has become the accepted norm is beyond me.
This article pulls at some extremes
the 60% is largely in part due to individual high earnings which puts him in another tax bracket
the couple with 2 kids only has a 1% difference with the midrange income of that first example
Like yeah
doesn’t it make sence that people with kids gets to paid a bit less taxes, so they can actually financially support those kids?
Living togheter and marriage each come with a risk to your finances
There’s this little caveat in the law that basically states that if someone helps pay the bills, they will become entitled to your home
This can become a 50/50 split if this goes on for a few years
regardless of whether or not this is even close to actually helping with the monthly mortgage
As someone who is single in the eyes of the law but is in a relationship, a true single person can save up a lot of money but just not being in a relationship
We are a third of the population, living coasts more and the taxes are more too .
What about ‘feitelijk samenwonend’ without any legal contract, but with kids?
Not to mention all the presents I had to buy for wedding partys and children of my friends and colleagues…
Is er ergens een link naar hoe deze percentages tot stand kwamen? Dan weten we wellicht ook meteen waar de verschillen allemaal zitten.
look at that money shhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiishhhhhhh.
Je uitgaven zijn gewoon hoger. Of je nu het licht aan steekt voor een persoon of een heel gezin, de rekening blijft dezelfde.
Damn it sucks to be ugly, now life is even more expensive as well 😒
And this is why if my relationship ever goes sour I am hauling my ass to Croatia or Poland as fast as possible
Meanwhile, BigCorp has thrown toxic waste in the water and was taxed -1M for their efforts. Sorry, we’re going to have to cut x and y to get new choppers for the army. Thanks for working, suckers. Xoxo, Belgium
I’m not really fussed about marriage but honestly this would help motivate me talking about engagement with my gf if we reach that point… obviously I’ll be transparent about that as well. These bills are ridiculous.
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Moerman, B. (2016, april 13). Belgische singles zwaarst belast van hele wereld. Het Nieuwsblad, p. 11.
Sad state of affairs 🙁
Any of you guys wants to get married for fiscal reasons?
Fuck I’m getting married.
Enlighten me, how is this worse since yesterday?
And that’s why it’s nonsense to talk about netto salary because you don’t know the personnal situation of the person you compare yourself to.
Always compare yearly gross salary.
Personally I was saving money like a madman when I was single and sole responsible of the money purse.
Now I’m what they call “wettelijk samen” with two kids and it’s much more difficult to save money.
Maybe people that have kids are also facing higher costs and do benefit from a tax cut as single don’t face the same costs. (That sentence is a /s for Reddit)
Also, I wonder how they are calculating a 49.45% tax rate on the 31k Bruto of Peter.
The marginal tax rate is as such in Belgium:
– 25% from 0 to 13.340€
– 40% from 13.341 to 23.720€
– 45% from 23.721 to 41.060€
– 50% from 41.051 to infinity
So Peter should pay:
– 25% on 12340€
– 40% on 10380€
– 45% on 7564€
So a total of 10.890€ of tax for a bruto of 31284 which is 35% of his yearly gross wage and not 49,45%
I smell bullshit.
Gave half my earnings to the government and never even got a thank you. I went to the tax office one time fully expecting to get a coffee and a piece of pie for all these years of faithfully paying my taxes and they would hardly give me the time of the day!
My girlfriends thesis about this subject (keep in mind that she has dyslexia and speaks 4 languages so sentences may have some quirks to them) :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R8wRdkcEseoinjFjF7TMPddP6-5kxr0S/view?usp=sharing
Ik vraag mij altijd af of ze in zo’n studies ook rekening houden met BTW en accijnzen en van die dingen. Iemand?
So what would it be for high earning couples? When comparing people with similar wages the difference doesnt seem to high other than the single dad. Would this matter much for middle to high end earners?
And with the remaining 40% you can buy stuff taxed at another 21%.
“Ever since I met you I knew you were the one I wanted to pay less taxes with. Will you marry me?”
Het is toch wel erg gesteld eigenlijk. Ze doen niks anders dan ‘scheiden’ en ‘single zijn’ te promoten in de boekskes en gazetten en andere media en dan zijn er nog van die zotten die daarin trappen ook. Lang leven het gezinsleven!
If Belgian politicians are going to interpret this demand, they’re going to increase the taxes for married people to match the tax rate of singles, not the other way around. Can’t we all agree that everyone pays too much taxes?
Yea.. all the politicians in 2016: Oh let’s fix this.
Reality in 2021: Oh we made it worse.
Business as usual.
Not quite. The BBSZ *usually* disadvantages singles, so removing it advantages them.
An analysis from a couple of years ago:
https://trends.knack.be/economie/beleid/waarom-de-bijzondere-bijdrage-voor-de-sociale-zekerheid-op-de-schop-moet/article-opinion-1453059.html
Also just on Radio1 and in the news, the link isn’t even up yet, a professor contradicting the notion that this is bad for singles as well.
edit: https://radio1.be/luister/select/de-wereld-vandaag/afschaffing-bijzondere-bijdrage-sociale-zekerheid-is-wel-goed-voor-alleenstaanden
In other words: it’s too complicated, good riddance.
Isn’t this just a different (more pessimistic) point of view? The other groups (such as married people) get benefits because it’s a more preferred situation (less infrastructure needed for housing) or a higher cost (raising children costs money).
I don’t see why single people should get tax cuts.
>open vld pleit voor bescherming alleenstaanden
This is a reason why quite a number of single people end up starting a self employment job after hours (bijberoep). If you have e.g. a hobby that you can exploit, create a self employed activity around it and subtract all the costs you would have normally anyway as professional costs. You end up with some extra revenue sometimes but your purchases now have less tax burden on them.
Plus points if you end up with a loss at the end of the year cause you get some of your paid taxes back (from your main profession). Just make sure you have a bit of profit from your activity every 2-3 years so the tax administration doesn’t flag you for closer investigation.
The images in this article alone cause so many questions…
Youssef earns 77.977 bruto (167%). Elena en Koen also earn 167% of the average wage together. Somehow their bruto wage is more than 1k eur lower… Maths is hard.
Generally these images compare people with a single income to families or couples with similar combined (!) incomes. No shit that results in lower taxes. If they were taxed individually as singles on these low incomes, they’d also fall into lower tax brackets.
The closest we can come to comparing; assuming the numbers are correct, are wouter and sam vs peter. Wouter and Sam as couple earn almost double that of peter. They’re taxed 1.77% less. I agree that shouldn’t exist; they should be taxed equally.
The difference of this 1.77% less tax on a full year is lower than the fiscal advantage of a salary car in a month…
Does someone want to go to brussels to protest? A bit like the yellow vests in france. Maybe block the entrance of some schools?
And it’s not getting better any time soon.
Onze staat heeft wel nog steeds niet echt graag vrouwen en migranten, Jolien betaald meer dan Peter en Youssef betaald meer dan Jolien… /s Al verdien ze telkens wel een pak meer.
Sofie en Wim mogen ze ook wel wat meer belasten daar het tweeverdieners zijn en Wouter en Sam ook want daar komen geen kinderen van. /s
Maybe tax some of those richy Rich people instead of singles making 40.000€ a year.
And the stats don’t even touch on middle class.
Can someone give me a translated summary please? Ik spreek geen nederlands
Netto per volwassene gesorteerd op basis van brutoinkomen per persoon:
||Bruto|Aantal Volwassenen|Kinderen?|Berekening|Netto per volwassene|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Jonas en Annelies|100% + 0%|2|Ja|`(1.00/2) * (100-40.41)`|29.80%|
|Peter|67%|1|Nee|`0.67 * (100-49.45)`|33.87%|
|Wouter en Sam|100% + 33%|2|Nee|`(1.33/2) * (100-47.68)`|34.80%|
|Sofie en Wim|100% + 33%|2|Ja|`(1.33/2) * (100-41.38)`|38.98%|
|Jan|67%|1|Ja|`0.67 * (100-35.78)`|43.03%|
|Elena en Koen|100% + 67%|2|Ja|`(1.67/2) * (100-48.31)`|43.16%|
|Jolien|100%|1|Nee|`1.00 * (100-55.31)`|44.69%|
|Youssef|167%|1|Nee|`1.67 * (100-60.69)`|65.65%|
Conclusie:
– Als aleenstaande heb je netto per volwassene ongeveer evenveel als dat je met 2 personen bent.
– Als je kinderen hebt, heb je netto wat meer.
– Een aleenstaande met kinderen heeft per volwassene netto meer dan een koppel met kinderen.
– Als je bruto per persoon meer inkomsten hebt, gaat je netto er ook op vooruit.
– Yussef moet niet klagen, want hij heeft per persoon nog altijd netto meer dan alle anderen per persoon, en zelfs meer dan Jonas en Annelies samen, en dat zonder kinderen.
Perfect voorbeeld waarom journalistiek echt een pak beter moet.
Geen enkel geval is onderling vergelijkbaar. Riooljournalistiek dus.
In de personenbelasting betaalt een single geen euro meer dan een persoon die evenveel verdient als deel van een gezin.
Hoewel er veel beter kan aangepakt worden moeten we misschien ook beseffen dat alleen wonen gewoon ook duurder is voor de maatschappij en dus hoger belast worden niet meer dan normaal.
Bijvoorbeeld, het kadastraal inkomen is een belasting op de kost voor de Staat van een huis, het is geen belasting op een persoon. Niet meer dan logisch dat die belasting dus inderdaad zwaarder doorweegt op een single.
Waarom is het fiscaal goedkoper om met twee samen te wonen dan om alleen te wonen?
Stop eating avocados and get yourself a girlfriend!
Verschiet ervan dat ze het nu bekend maken. Toen ik single was, zei ik dat ook op de enkele single vrienden en collega’s na interesseerde het niemand. Triestig.
Ik ga op deze thread is naar “controversial” want ik denk dat daar de echte meningen te vinden zijn.
This is all due to incredibly unnecessary complex tax rules. I mean the rate should be flat with a fixed % reduction if you have kids.
Iemand zin in een schijnhuwelijk met 2 fictieve kinderen?
Zwitserland 22%. Raclette it is.
When the governement earns more from your job than you self…
How giving more than 50% of the money you worked for back to the state (and its 6 governments) has become the accepted norm is beyond me.
This article pulls at some extremes
the 60% is largely in part due to individual high earnings which puts him in another tax bracket
the couple with 2 kids only has a 1% difference with the midrange income of that first example
Like yeah
doesn’t it make sence that people with kids gets to paid a bit less taxes, so they can actually financially support those kids?
Living togheter and marriage each come with a risk to your finances
There’s this little caveat in the law that basically states that if someone helps pay the bills, they will become entitled to your home
This can become a 50/50 split if this goes on for a few years
regardless of whether or not this is even close to actually helping with the monthly mortgage
As someone who is single in the eyes of the law but is in a relationship, a true single person can save up a lot of money but just not being in a relationship
We are a third of the population, living coasts more and the taxes are more too .
What about ‘feitelijk samenwonend’ without any legal contract, but with kids?
Not to mention all the presents I had to buy for wedding partys and children of my friends and colleagues…
Is er ergens een link naar hoe deze percentages tot stand kwamen? Dan weten we wellicht ook meteen waar de verschillen allemaal zitten.
look at that money shhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiishhhhhhh.
Je uitgaven zijn gewoon hoger. Of je nu het licht aan steekt voor een persoon of een heel gezin, de rekening blijft dezelfde.
Damn it sucks to be ugly, now life is even more expensive as well 😒
And this is why if my relationship ever goes sour I am hauling my ass to Croatia or Poland as fast as possible
Meanwhile, BigCorp has thrown toxic waste in the water and was taxed -1M for their efforts. Sorry, we’re going to have to cut x and y to get new choppers for the army. Thanks for working, suckers. Xoxo, Belgium
I’m not really fussed about marriage but honestly this would help motivate me talking about engagement with my gf if we reach that point… obviously I’ll be transparent about that as well. These bills are ridiculous.