First, voters considering support for Jill Stein’s presidential campaign must be aware that she is running almost openly as an asset to Russian President Vladimir Putin. And she is parroting Russian and MAGA talking points about the Democratic Party, while barely mentioning Donald Trump. That’s why they know she’s useful to them as a spoiler that can help Trump win: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/red-alert-putin-puppet-jill-stein-and-her-russia-friendly-agenda That also why Europe’s Green Parties have delivered a grave warning to Jill Stein to stand down for the sake of America and the world: https://newrepublic.com/post/187806/european-greens-warning-jill-stein-election

Second: The next president of the United States will be Donald Trump or Kamala Harris, not anybody else and the election will be close. We don’t have the luxury of voting third party or writing in the name of a fantasy candidate. (In most states, those write-ins won’t even count.). Consider the consequences for our country:  most obviously, the project of a more progressive non-binary electoral system will be severely set back under a Trump administration, whose goal “on day one” is to centralize power; to privatize or destroy the institutions that protect our democratic system. 

Third: if you think it’s fine to vote 3rd party because you may be in a blue state, consider how much the popular vote matters: If Trump loses big in the popular vote, as well as losing the electoral vote, it will be harder for him to challenge the election results (as he certainly will do). The larger the margin, the weaker his claim.

[ Edit: Fourth: The interest in the suffering in Gaza is not a logical reason to hand the presidency to Netanyahu's closest, fascist ally, Donald Trump. In their letter asking Stein to step down from her candidacy, Europe's Green Party, wrote that "electing Trump would embolden anti-democratic actions around the globe…By taking away votes from Harris and allowing a Trump win, Stein will not be able to help 'bring about a just and sustainable peace in the Middle East,' an issue in which the U.S. Green Party candidate has staked her 2024 campaign upon." ]  

There is too much unbearable irony in the position that claims how, in the interest of Palestine, individuals should throw their vote away, and implicitly cast their support for Trump, who has made it clear that, if elected, he would put a “swift end” to the Ukrainian and Palestinian war conflicts; namely, by denying these territories of their autonomy'; by giving them to the warmongering dictators for whom he bends.  That’s why Netanyahu went down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring. 

By consigning your vote into total irrelevance, you are implicitly supporting a candidate whose interests undermine your own in the most extreme way; who calls climate change a “hoax;” whose policy includes mass deregulation; defunding or shuttering effective green energy technologies and industries that have the added benefit of improving our economy.  In an Orwellian plan to make the citizenry forget climate change was a legitimate interest, the GOP even have plans to remove all references to words like “climate change” in official documents (as DeSantis has already done in Florida). 

Don’t make your voice irrelevant in a dogmatic fight for a representative whose actions self-consciously  work in Trump's favor; against your own.

Don't cast your vote into irrelevance: a few reasons NOT to vote for Stein
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by wanda999

41 comments

  1. I mean, when the green party is telling you not to vote for the green party, and the Republicans love Jill Stein, at this point anyone voting for her is practically malignant.

  4. My sister ran for US senate on the Green Party ticket three times, twice in Tennessee and once in Oregon. She actually knows Jill Stein personally. (she’s not a pleasant person and is pretty rude and entitled, although that’s not the issue here.) And sis also says not to vote for her.

  5. I agree that we should be voting for Kamala but I take huge issue with calling her a Russian asset just because she is critical of the Democratic party. As a leftist it’s beyond frustrating.

  6. If the Dems win with Kamala they’ll continue sending out corporate dems that go against progressive candidates. If kamala loses and Jill stein picks up a big percentage (~5%), it sends a pretty clear message to the dnc not to alienate the progressive wing of the party in favor of republicans (ie. The Cheneys). I’m using my vote to send a message to the dnc. I don’t vote for record oil/gas production (right r/climate ?) and I don’t vote for genocide. 

  7. I’m in California, I will cast my vote where ever I please.

    It’s not changing a thing.

  8. Just look at the libertarian party’s rejection of Chase Oliver. Third parties know they are destructive to their followers this election cycle.

  9. I don’t vote for genocide and if I vote, my vote goes to the party who REPRESENTS my ideals the most, and it certainly isn’t the bipartisan elite.

    As a conscientious non-voter, this year I gave my vote to my kid and my kid said vote Green, so that’s what I’m gonna do.

  10. The only reason to vote for Jill Stein is nihilism and petulance

  11. I’m a lurker. I don’t post much because I just don’t have much to say, but these, along with other posts in this sub, are beyond infuriating

    Your entire premise is flawed, I’m not casting my vote into irrelevance, I’m casting my vote as I see best. Just because that is for a person other than who you want doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant.

    My vote is just as important as yours, but you and so many in this sub try to degrade, denigrate, and ultimately stigmatize people who vote for any party that isn’t yours. Tell Harris-Walz to earn my vote. You and the democrats chastising me for voting for someone different makes me way, way less likely to vote for them. It’s not enough for me that Harris-Wals are slightly less worse than the main competition. They should be BETTER.

    It’s disgusting and disturbing how outright hostile you and others with similar posts have become. I’m absolutely voting for the green party, and you yelling at me that I’m wasting my vote makes my convictions even stronger.

  12. I will not vote for genocide. End of story. The fact that so many are playing mental gymnastics to soothe their cognitive dissonance over SUPPORTING GENOCIDE is insane to me. America has truly lost the plot.

  14. Kamala Harris is CAMPAIGNING with Republican Liz Cheney, is touting her numerous endorsements by Republicans, and is promising to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet, yet Democratic partisans are trying to convince voters that it’s Jill Stein who is backed by Republicans. Do you even listen to what you’re saying lol?

    Also, if you think that continuing to put American taxpayers further into debt by bankrolling a failing war against Russia is a good idea, then you obviously care nothing about this country or the climate. The US turned their back on numerous Russian attempts over the last decade to resolve the Ukraine crisis without it coming to open war, but the Democrat/Republican alliance thought it was a good idea so here we are.

    This isn’t “Kremlin propaganda” but verifiable truth. It’s why the majority of the world’s countries aren’t shunning Russia (just the West and it’s subservient client states), aren’t cutting off ties with it, and it’s also why Russia’s economy, according to the IMF, is now the world’s 4th largest economy by purchasing power parity (PPP).

    The sad fact that many of you don’t want to come to grips with is that the US government and its allied media is either blatantly lying to you or omitting facts and information necessary to make informed opinions. It’s not Russia doing this, but your own government and media.

  16. I totally understand wanting to vote Green on principle. But pragmatism demands otherwise.

  17. I think what the anarchists and nihilists don’t understand is that by sitting out the election or voting third party, they will indirectly cause massive loss of life on a scale much worse than anything currently happening in Gaza if Trump becomes president. Not simply by the increased loss of life in Gaza that Trump will empower, or the loss of life that climate change and mass extinction that Trump will enable, or even how the shift of global power to Xi and Putin and other dictators will cause catastrophic results and human suffering on a horrific scale, but also the sheer unpredictability that an unstable and dangerous Trump dictatorship might do.

    Of course, most of these anarchist / nihilists are white Americans born and brought up in the comfort, stability and luxury of the U.S. I am a brown immigrant who has lived under and seen the horrors of men like Trump. And who works in nonprofit in developing sectors of the world. So looking at this from my lens, there is only one obvious choice: Kamala Harris. She is an imperfect candidate, but vastly superior to any alternative and I believe she will be a net good even if I don’t agree with everything she does. I don’t have the luxury of having a candidate who agrees with everything I want, because that’s not possible in a country of 350 million people. Only strongmen from failed states claim that everything is black and white. I don’t want to live under a strongman.

  18. Amen. If Jill Stein actually cared about anything other than seeming cool at the right kind of dinner party, she would have spent the last 20 years building a coalition and winning all over the place at the state level so there would be an actual meaningful party foothold. Instead, she shows up and redirects a dangerous percentage of people away from directionally correct outcomes into chasing la la land outcomes (because feeling righteous is more important than doing long-term good, apparently)…and we lose more ground to the right.

    Please people, don’t vote for Jill Stein. Use your vote for something meaningful, even if it’s not 100% of what you want right away (American politics isn’t your favorite fast food restaurant) — steering us in the right direction changes the nature of the debate we’ll be having in 5 and 10 and 20 and 30 years. Just ask the Federalist Society — you know how the supreme court is a mess right now? The right wing plans for that started at the Federalist Society in the 1980s. Those right wingers worked on it for 4 decades to get the outcomes they wanted. We should take note. And this is one of those times when doing the right thing long-term is WAY WAY WAY more important than the sugar high of self righteousness you’ll get from giving Jill Stein additional dinner party bragging rights.

  19. Change your stupid and prehistoric voting system. You know America is hardly a democratic country right?

  20. We need to shut the door on the fascists behind Trump. Get Harris in by a landslide. Then work the government to move on climate and environment.
    Every one needs to get this done. I voted Green before but not this time. Trump is using the Nazi playbook to take over. If he gets in it’s over for climate – and environment

  21. TLDR: A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.

    It’s that simple. If you want Donald Trump to be the leader of the free world, just vote for Stein and you’ll get exactly what you deserve.

  23. This almost makes me not want to vote for Harris. There’s a lot of reasons to vote for Harris over Stein. But, making up stuff about Stein isn’t the way. Stein has made climate a central part of her campaign, while it’s an afterthought for Harris.

  24. Everyone should keep in mind that a Kamala Harris shill operation was recently exposed. They are heavily manipulating Reddit and other social media sites by coordinating on discord servers to push pro DNC narratives. This is almost certainly an example of that.

  25. For those on the left who hate Trump, but can’t get themselves to vote for Kamala Harris, you might want to look into [SwapYourVote.org](http://SwapYourVote.org) 

    [SwapYourVote.org](http://SwapYourVote.org) has a system where swing state voters can double your protest vote through getting matched with 2 Harris supporters in solid blue states (think California) who were planning to vote for Harris. 

  26. Re: climate specifically, neither Harris nor Trump will do enough to meaningfully change our outcome. There will likely be small, short-term wins under Harris like we had under Biden — which certainly feels better than the opposite in the moment — but I don’t think it’s helpful pretend her administration will do enough to matter

  27. My wife does climate change work, and if Donald Trump gets elected, it will undo years of work for her. Please consider her when you vote. If you truly stand for climate change, please stand behind the people who are fighting for it.

  28. A vote for Stein is a lost opportunity to vote against Trump!

  29. You should be able to argue for this without denying that the US is currently supporting an ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

  30. Sponsored by democrats.

    Biden approved a record amount of drilling permits. Harris will aim to break that record. Instead of talking points and fear mongering, point to specific meaningful legislation democrats passed to address climate change instead of trying to help democrats continue their inept governance. 

  31. Voting for anyone but Harris is an act of treason. Voting for Stein, Trump, West, Kennedy Jr, anyone else or not voting at all makes you a terrorist. Literally. This isn’t bias, partisan, or even my opinion. It is a fact.

  32. This post gets an award!🥇 I can’t upvote this enough!

  33. Gotta love doctrinaire third-party voters. We’re so much better off that Gore lost, in part due to Nader. Cuz George W. Bush did so much to deal with climate change, and he brought peace to the Middle East with the invasion of Iraq /s

  34. I don’t think leading with the Russian asset angle is wise. Whether or not it’s true – there are much better reasons to not vote for her.

  36. Get out of here Blue MAGA.

    Turn off MSNBC and touch grass. I’m not a Jill Stein voter, but none of what you are saying is true. You people are so desperate to elect a genocidaire that you will use all kinds of social pressure to try and push people who don’t want to vote for her to feel like they have to.

    The Russian asset thing is absolutely bogus. If when leftists punch to the right you get hit, that’s a you problem, not an issue of being a russian asset. That is part of the long discredited Russia-gate hoax. Get a new hobby. Not everyone who criticizes the democrats or the US are russian agents, and to dismiss them all as such makes you just as brainwashed as the MAGA people you despise.

    Yes, the election will be close. So why is Kamala Harris telling the left that she doesn’t care at all about them or what they want? She thinks she can take them for granted and it has taken a genocide to do it, but there are finally some leftists who are no longer wiling to engage in the electoral suicide of voting for the lesser evil.

    Kamala Harris has the blood of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians on her hands, and if you vote for her, you do too.

  37. Some of y’all are virtue signaling so hard, you might want to find some place private to finish off.

  38. This is just plain false. She is not openly running as a Russian asset and just cause she went to a dinner a decade ago means nothing. She’s criticized trump plenty.

  40. The best reason to not vote Green Party is that the party doesn’t do anything between presidential election cycles, other than vanity projects for Stein herself, bankrolled off her substantial wealth. The party in this form is not viable in any way, and serves only as a spoiler. And to provide narcissistic supply for Stein. At least at the libertarians run down ballot races, ffs.

  41. “It’s a two party system, you have to vote for one of us!” -Kang.

    The fearmongering about Jill Stein wouldnt be so pathetic if it were genuine rather than just a Harris marketing tactic.

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