Russia’s first peace offer in 2022 demanded Ukraine’s near-complete surrender, leaked documents show

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1. Regarding a later draft: https://archive.ph/0T7IB#selection-5004.0-5004.1

   >Russia, stunned by the fierce resistance Ukraine was putting up, seemed open to such a deal, but eventually balked at its critical component: an arrangement binding other countries to come to Ukraine’s defense if it were ever attacked again.

   Makes it easy to understand. Russia just want to salami tactic Ukraine: take a piece one war at a time until all is consumed. That’s what Ukraine is defending itself from to this day. Complete annihilation of Ukrainian nationhood/language and country in the shortest term future Putin can arrange.

2. Coming from the Ukrainian source during the time when Russia is steadily advancing in Donbas and more and more actors question the adequacy of the UA stated goals and push Ukraine to start negotiations. Totally believable!

3. Now, they demands Ukraine’s ~~near~~ complete surrender. But hey, 700 thousands russians are dead, their economy ruined, their prestige shattered now so not all things are bad now, right?

4. And yet it would still have been a way better deal than anything Ukraine will be able to get now or in the future.

   Not to mention the tens of thousands of people that would still be alive/not crippled, and all the other damage done by prolonging this conflict at all cost.

   Afaik these were the very same negotiations where the [Ukrainian SBU shot and killed one of their own diplomats](https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukrainians-kill-negotiator-as-suspected-enemy-spy-bflgkmk8d) for allegedly being a Russian spy.

   There never was any investigation, any court hearing any evidence for that allegation, one deemed strong enough to pretty much *execute somebody on the spot*.

   But it fits the bill, as the SBU is exactly one of the Ukrainian government organizations that saw an influx of far-right nationalist radicals that were also responsible for overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2014.

   They are the faction Zelensky has to appease and fear the most because they ain’t shy to go over corpses and they were already successful in removing an elected Ukrainian president.

5. But but but most on here continuously claim it was Boris Johnson who scuppered a truly incredible peace deal for Ukraine that would’ve given them everything and more they could’ve ever dreamed of

6. A Lot of Russian shills in this comment section.

   The terms of that offer are totally unacceptable. I don’t know how Russia expected Ukraine to accept that given it essentially would guarantee either Ukraine becomes a Russian pseudo-vassal or Russia gradually chips away at Ukrainian territory until all of Ukraine becomes Russia.

   I wonder what the terms would be today. I’d imagine the terms would be less stringent but still unacceptable. I don’t know how this war ends, but I get the feeling that Donbas and Luhansk are goners.

7. Maybe we can finally put to bed the idea there was some kind of magical peace deal Ukraine was being offered that could’ve spared it being dismembered by Russia.

   The western tankies are absolutely delusional to have suggested that Ukraine was wrong to fight back.

8. But according to some people, Russian imperialism isn’t a thing

   I don’t know why some folks are so hell-bent on denying this isn’t a form of imperialism just because it isn’t a western country doing it

   There is very little difference between what Russia is doing to Eastern Europe and what the US had done and still does to Latin America (minus the territory annexation part)

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