Trump’s victory: Is Europe now on its own?

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1. The US under Biden blew up Nord Stream 2… that, along with against-our-interests sanctions on Russia have crippled European, especially German, industry… are we alone now…? **You gotta hope so**

2. Unlikely though they may have to make some concessions and deal with some drama to keep American support in Ukraine.

   Trump has said some controversial things that he since walked back on once he came into more privileged information.  I suspect he will get the briefing and reconsider.

   Though Donald Trump is also pretty vindictive.  A long time ago he lambasted Germany for relying on Russian energy, they laughed.  Trump also criticized low defense spending within NATO and they laughed.  I doubt Trump forgot any of that and will seek to embarrass them in return.

   It’s going to be a more bumpy ride for Ukraine at the very least.  Will Trump give them more to get a resolution or will he shif American interests elsewhere hoping Europe will pick up the slack?

3. The US involvement in Europe has been a net negative for Europe 9 out of 10 times not to mention the involvement in the middle east constantly leading to issues in Europe via refugee waves that caused internal divisions. The place is still trying to deal with the murder of Gaddafi for example and the political chaos that that has led to.

4. I recall a lot of this talk last time Trump was in office and unfortunately the EU didn’t move far enough or fast enough away from the US. Now we have this same issue again.

   The EU should recognise by now that the US is not a reliable ally and should move to decouple itself from the US, especially militarily, as fast as possible so that when the US thrashes about like this we are unaffected.

   Hopefully this second boot up the hole is what is needed to finally get our own house in order.

5. Yes Europe is on its own. Anyone who tells you otherwise has short term memory. Does everyone forget why Trump was impeached? Does quid pro quo not ring any bells? Trump wanting to back out of NATO? Had Trump won in 2020 Russia would have ran through Ukraine in a month. Now Russia gets a redo.

6. With this wil the US stop being the world police?

   Maybe. Their narcissist atittude and selfish actions have been getting bigger through the years, so they will leave many situations on others to keep the narritive of center of the world.

   Europe is not dependent on US as many think. We have our owns agreements with other external countries and peace measurements to deal with problems.

   The Ukraine has kept going thanks to the USA funding, the Europe it’s more worried about the ucranian people that might migrate into Europe and worsen the migration crisis.

   So the solution in Ukraine by Europe it’s peace, in order to avoids dislocations of people and institutions.

   The other problem it’s the Middle East (Palestine & Yemen) where the US took an agressive action but now may backup and leave the other nations to deal the peace, it will be hard for european diplomacy to clean this. Also there’s problems due to Yemen pirates in fhe Red Sea, creatings shortages in naval transport to Europe.

7. EU was always on its own. US support doesn’t come for free, they negotiate deals and if it doesn’t work out support is stopped. That’s not going to change even if Trump comes into power. The only thing that will change is he will arm-twist more and get better deals which he can brag about.

8. they should be. if 2016 didn’t already, this election proved that Europe cannot rely on the US aways being on their side. I think most Europeans would agree that the EU needs to start being a bit more proactive

9. I literally have no idea what Trump is going to do. Yes yes, back in 2016 he was surrounded by GOP Establishment that kept him somewhat in line (just learned today that he ordered Assads elimination in 2016, but the order was not carried out and then he forgot about it) but now he has a bunch of yes-men and insane people like Musk or RFK (who plans on removing Flouride from drinking water and will “clear out entire departments of the HHS”) who will encourage him on the crazy shit.

   Ukraine is now his problem, so when he learns that Putin can not, in fact, be pacified with a phonecall, this shit could go south fast. What I know for certain though is that Bibi will get his Blank cheque, and the subsequent violence will make everything happening so far look like childs play. If Iran or its proxies try to intervene, Trump will probably join in on the fun and start “bombing the shit out of them” too as he likes to say.

   I guess we can only wait and see. The guy is just unpredictable, and he is deteriorating. Could lash out in all directions, thats why its so funny that the Russians are celebrating his victory. Biden may have been a steady ukraine supporter, but he was very timid and you knew what to expect. With Trump, he might aswell join in on the war because something on the TV made him mad at the Russians (thats where he got the idea to blow up Soleimani btw)

10. If Trump distances the USA from NATO then the only feasible path forwards for any kind of “United Europe” will be a proper European armed force. But of course, his victory all but assures the far right will gain everywhere in Europe, directly undermining the Federalist project in favour of extreme nationalism. On top of that, a more unified Europe would also make it more independent and push it towards its own agenda as opposed to one aligned with the USA.

    As a socialist I despise NATO and wish for nothing but its destruction, so I find it hilarious, but if you’re a liberal start busting your ass to turn the tide or you’re fucked.

11. NATO is now pretty dead. There is no way any other country can count on Trump to follow up on any agreements, not even if they were renegotiated to be even more in Americas favor.

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