If Finland doesn’t join nato now then it will not be able to in the future as Russia will have its full attention on Finland and will try to create never ending problems to prevent entry.

EDIT: Petition to organize a vote in Finland to join Nato. If over 50000 backers then it goes to parliament. 45000+ so far.

[https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/9866](https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/9866)

EDIT: Donate to the Ukrainian Army

[https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi](https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi)

or

[https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate/](https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate/)

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  3. Doesnt all ther northern european countries some kind of defensive agreement or something, meaning if one country is attacked they will come help or something?

  4. American here. I truly hope Finland and Sweden join us in NATO. It’s frustrating sitting back watching what’s happening in Ukraine.

  5. That’s a very short yet very correct assumption.

    Also, countries already under attack or (partial) occupation cannot join NATO. And Russians know that very well.

  8. 1) Declare war on Norway together with Sweden

    2) invade with token force

    3) Immediately surrender unconditionally (with the condition that Finland and Sweden cede all political and military power to Norway)

    4) Become vassal grad Duchy of Norway together with Sweden

    5) No need to apply for NATO as we are governed by a NATO country

    6) Profit/Get your dick in a cheese grater Vladimir.

  10. I agree. Even if Putin and his lackeys would be crazy enough to attack against NATO, I doubt that Russian forces would do that. It would mean the end of Russia.

  11. It would be also a huge benefit for the NATO. Finnland and Sweden have extremely modern armies and one of the best air forces on this planet. Let’s not forget the Finnish sharpshooter and Swedish navy.

    Please join!

  12. Having a referendum seems like a bad idea. I’d rather trust the Finnish Parliament to handle this, as there wouldn’t be any risk of Russian involvement.

  13. Lets just remind russia of what happend last time they tried invade with an epic recap video of them getting their colective ass handed to them by finish farmers, and or have some one do a Nikolay Bobrikov to putin

  18. Isn’t there a kind-of weird interaction at play here between the CSDP from the EU on the one hand and NATO on the other?

    So if they invade Finland then obviously they’re invading the EU, and… does that allow invoking article 5 of the NATO alliance? I’m not really sure. The EU is in a sort of gray area between a union of states and an economic alliance at this point.

    Anyway, I absolutely do not think that the west is going to put up with Russia attacking Finland _and certainly not Sweden_. No way whatsoever.

  19. I agree. What’s the hold-up? I understand that armed neutrality and not poking the bear are deeply embedded in the Finnish national psyche, but Washington and London will be more reliable allies than Berlin and Paris. That’s just a fact.

  20. It’s become a cliché already on reddit, but I’m one of those many who were uncertain about joining NATO, just a week ago. Not unsure anymore.

    I can only hope that the slight shift of words chosen and tone used (meaning more pro NATO/west and anti traditional defence) by both the government and the president during the past days means that something is going on behind the scenes already.

    They “keep saying the same thing” just to keep up appearances, while at the same time signaling to the public that we are ever-so-slightly leaning more towards NATO and actually the application is already sent. Not that the majority of the public would disapprove that anyway, maybe last week, but not now.

    At least I HOPE it’s not just the same old same old and I’m not imagining the shift in tone.

  21. No, no and no… I don’t understand this scaredy cat mentality people have.

    And it’s not about voting. If you’ve ever been in group project, you understand why democratic approach is the dumbest one you could ever think of when considering joining NATO….

  26. I’m from the US. I hate what is happening right now and hate that a defensive alliance is even needed in today’s world.

    That being said, I absolutely love Finland and like and respect every Finn I’ve met – you guys have a great country and culture and I would be proud to stand by all of you as an ally in times of need. Anyone who threatens you has threatened me and mine as well.

    I know I’m not saying anything useful here as just some random American moron I just want you to know this gun toting idiot is on your side.

  28. Finland has a strong artillery and military combined with an extremely defensible terrain. The cons of invading Finland outweight the pros currently. It’s thoroughly unappealing. We are the Afghanistan of Northern Europe.

  31. I want Finland to join NATO asap, but a referendum is not the way – the general public doesn¨’t have all the necessary information to make a decision like that.

    We have an elected representative parliament to make a well-informed decision on this matter for us.

  32. Honestly, there is a great post by u/nosyardkid link below that goes through Putin’s playbook

    If I were Finnish I would be terrified

    An excerpt

    *This has always been a part of the Russian elite’s plans. Check out the book, [Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics), which is a book that details how Russia should approach increasing their sphere of influence. Finland’s section reads:*

    *”Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be “donated to Murmansk Oblast”.”*

    *Finland will be next after this Ukraine crisis. At the section for Ukraine it reads:*

    *”Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because “Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics”. Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.”*

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