Luxembourg and…. Denmark. Why is it always Denmark?
Damn you Denmark, the Dane of our existence!
Really needs a cost of living lines for single & family to give it some context.
Glad to see we have Danish standards, oh wait…
What’s the median?
Isn’t it around 45K? Where’d 58,700 come from?
I see the Netherlands isn’t there. They are usually high up the list too.
Fuck you Denmark. Their language is a garbage language for garbage people
shh , your not giving people stuff to moan about /s
Yes but we also have a very high cost of living here also. So it doesn’t really mean much without showing that also on the graph.
For any relevance:
– show median salary
– show cost of living
– show versus GNI*
Then you’ll see whether we actually do well relative to our peers
Some difference in quality of life Vs Denmark and Luxembourg 😞
Any calculation that factors salary Vs average living costs?
I’d hope people seeing Luxembourg way at the top do realise just *how* dishonest these types of graphs are for portraying “the status of the country” considering it doesn’t include anything about public utilities provided, the cost of living, housing status or time wasted in longer commutes.
Not to knock the info but just how these graphs by themselves are very frequently used to make misleading arguments (see the comments).
Seems kind of pointless to be fair. I’m Belgian, sure we are up there with Ireland, but we are getting taxed out of the ass. So in the end we don’t keep as much net pay. Granted our cost of living is quite a bit lower.
I assume the reason we got so close to Ireland in the last years is because we have automatic indexation. Everyone’s wage automatically goes up with inflation (the index). Everyone got at least a 11% pay bump in January 2023. And all the other years a yearly pay bump of at least 2%.
How does one get one of these jobs though I want 58k a year
Well maybe Ireland would be higher if the sneaky fucking Danes hadn’t invaded 1100 years ago and taken all our coins and trinkets, and women. Never not at it, them damn Lego heads.
Is Dublin skewing the stats…
For example if you look at Crime rates, Dublin Crime rate is so much higher than the rest of Ireland, that almost everywhere is below average for Crime…
Is this the same for wages?
I always dislike this being shown without the median salary.
Here’s to another year of being below average!
Ireland has a massive cost of living, and Belgium has an insanely high tax rate. Salary doesn’t tell the whole story.
Fake statistics. Poland is way over Latvia, Lithuania or Malta 🤬
Getting an average salary is like trying to find the average weight between ants and elephants.
I wonder what happens when you remove the top 1 and 5% or so.
I blame the government.
Just want to add some context here:
I’m a young irish person living in Poland working for a bank. My salary here is (changed into euros) about 33-35K per annum depending on my bonus.
I recently did the maths on what I would need to earn in ireland to retain the same standard of living and yearly disposable income. To make sure i was getting a conservative estimate i inflated all of the polish expenses by 10% so that I knew I wasnt undercounting.
I factored in the following expenses:
– Rent of an equivalent sized apt in a Dublin (I live in the second largest city here which has the highest rents apparently)
– cost of equivalent healthcare taking out the equivalent % of employer deductions
– cost of benefits provided by employer (gym, food in office, life insurance, private pension plan etc)
– taxes (NB. this is a bit different as I’m under 26 and so about 60% of my income isn’t subject to income tax, I still pay about 25% in social welfare however)
– cost of going out four times a month
– cost of groceries (this was surprisingly closer than I thought it would be.
– utilities cost.
– cost of using public transport
I used the average salary of 48000 in ireland and after the expenses were deducted I was left with having 6 times more disposable income (about 12k euro) than i would have in ireland. To just achieve the same level of spare money I’d need to have earned around €63000 in ireland. Bear in mind that’s AFTER I inflated everything by about 10% just to be sure I wasn’t being unfair. If I didn’t do that (I didn’t write this number down but checked it at the time) I would need to have been earning nearly 70K just to have the same disposable income.
Unless you own a home in ireland, or can live rent free with your parents (which because i was comparing on standard of living kind of is redundant) your standard of living is comparable to someone who would be living on the very edge of being called impoverished here. I hope this gives some context to this super misleading stat.
Who are these people getting over €1,000 a week like..
Labour costs are not as high in relative terms though as employer PRSI is only 11% in Ireland.
It is in the 20%-30% range in most of the EU.
Meaningless figures if removed from a cost of living context
Yeah but whats the median? This could mean we have the highest paid CEO’s, middle managers or tech staff in the world.
Looks like there’s a lot of folk out there dragging that average up something wicked.
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Luxembourg and…. Denmark. Why is it always Denmark?
Damn you Denmark, the Dane of our existence!
Really needs a cost of living lines for single & family to give it some context.
Glad to see we have Danish standards, oh wait…
What’s the median?
Isn’t it around 45K? Where’d 58,700 come from?
I see the Netherlands isn’t there. They are usually high up the list too.
Fuck you Denmark. Their language is a garbage language for garbage people
shh , your not giving people stuff to moan about /s
Yes but we also have a very high cost of living here also. So it doesn’t really mean much without showing that also on the graph.
For any relevance:
– show median salary
– show cost of living
– show versus GNI*
Then you’ll see whether we actually do well relative to our peers
Some difference in quality of life Vs Denmark and Luxembourg 😞
Any calculation that factors salary Vs average living costs?
I’d hope people seeing Luxembourg way at the top do realise just *how* dishonest these types of graphs are for portraying “the status of the country” considering it doesn’t include anything about public utilities provided, the cost of living, housing status or time wasted in longer commutes.
Not to knock the info but just how these graphs by themselves are very frequently used to make misleading arguments (see the comments).
Seems kind of pointless to be fair. I’m Belgian, sure we are up there with Ireland, but we are getting taxed out of the ass. So in the end we don’t keep as much net pay. Granted our cost of living is quite a bit lower.
I assume the reason we got so close to Ireland in the last years is because we have automatic indexation. Everyone’s wage automatically goes up with inflation (the index). Everyone got at least a 11% pay bump in January 2023. And all the other years a yearly pay bump of at least 2%.
How does one get one of these jobs though I want 58k a year
Well maybe Ireland would be higher if the sneaky fucking Danes hadn’t invaded 1100 years ago and taken all our coins and trinkets, and women. Never not at it, them damn Lego heads.
Is Dublin skewing the stats…
For example if you look at Crime rates, Dublin Crime rate is so much higher than the rest of Ireland, that almost everywhere is below average for Crime…
Is this the same for wages?
I always dislike this being shown without the median salary.
Here’s to another year of being below average!
Ireland has a massive cost of living, and Belgium has an insanely high tax rate. Salary doesn’t tell the whole story.
Fake statistics. Poland is way over Latvia, Lithuania or Malta 🤬
Getting an average salary is like trying to find the average weight between ants and elephants.
I wonder what happens when you remove the top 1 and 5% or so.
I blame the government.
Just want to add some context here:
I’m a young irish person living in Poland working for a bank. My salary here is (changed into euros) about 33-35K per annum depending on my bonus.
I recently did the maths on what I would need to earn in ireland to retain the same standard of living and yearly disposable income. To make sure i was getting a conservative estimate i inflated all of the polish expenses by 10% so that I knew I wasnt undercounting.
I factored in the following expenses:
– Rent of an equivalent sized apt in a Dublin (I live in the second largest city here which has the highest rents apparently)
– cost of equivalent healthcare taking out the equivalent % of employer deductions
– cost of benefits provided by employer (gym, food in office, life insurance, private pension plan etc)
– taxes (NB. this is a bit different as I’m under 26 and so about 60% of my income isn’t subject to income tax, I still pay about 25% in social welfare however)
– cost of going out four times a month
– cost of groceries (this was surprisingly closer than I thought it would be.
– utilities cost.
– cost of using public transport
I used the average salary of 48000 in ireland and after the expenses were deducted I was left with having 6 times more disposable income (about 12k euro) than i would have in ireland. To just achieve the same level of spare money I’d need to have earned around €63000 in ireland. Bear in mind that’s AFTER I inflated everything by about 10% just to be sure I wasn’t being unfair. If I didn’t do that (I didn’t write this number down but checked it at the time) I would need to have been earning nearly 70K just to have the same disposable income.
Unless you own a home in ireland, or can live rent free with your parents (which because i was comparing on standard of living kind of is redundant) your standard of living is comparable to someone who would be living on the very edge of being called impoverished here. I hope this gives some context to this super misleading stat.
Who are these people getting over €1,000 a week like..
Labour costs are not as high in relative terms though as employer PRSI is only 11% in Ireland.
It is in the 20%-30% range in most of the EU.
Meaningless figures if removed from a cost of living context
Yeah but whats the median? This could mean we have the highest paid CEO’s, middle managers or tech staff in the world.
Looks like there’s a lot of folk out there dragging that average up something wicked.
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