EU leader calls for European army amid fears of Trump victory

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-leader-calls-european-army-140011112.html

33 comments

  1. They Should Have did This along time ago. Life was good leaving all the military responsibilities to the US.

  2. Look at that, Trump is already making the world more secure!

  3. We really should all pull together and do this, for sure.

    If Trump pulls out of NATO, a form of NATO will still exist, whose combined strength for sure out-guns Russia. And if he doesn’t pull out of NATO, then we have an even bigger army to utilise within NATO.

    Plus defence investment is good for the economy.

    I’m probably being really naive, but I genuinely think we should prioritise this NOW.

    Edit – people seem to think my comment meant “Ukraine should join NATO now”. Nowhere did I say that.

  4. There’s almost no chance of achieving anything important in the EU anymore. Each country is too focused on its own national interests.

  7. I’m all for more unity in the EU, but Luxembourg can fuck right off with their tax haven status and wealth chambers, it’s not their asses on their line in a EU army.

  8. Good. It’s about time Europe takes it own defense seriously.

  9. This was already discussed during the first Trump term.

    In typical EU fashion, nothing happened for 4 years. We got complacent. Again. Now we can start talking about the same topic all over again.

  10. Good, they should. Europe isn’t americas problem to perpetually protect

  11. We’re already in a World War by Proxy.

    I would like to see an alliance forming between the EU, UK, Australia, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan.
    And France may see a new market opening up as I also foresee a race for nuclear proliferation in the coming years. It’s pretty much the safest option for the South China sea nations and possibly even the Baltic states.

  13. The fact that we have to tune in all nervous and shaky into US elections at all is just embarrassing. We shouldn’t be reliant on them for defence or anything.

    Not saying this as an anti-US tangent, just relying on another nation for defence was never a sound policy.

    US election should be deciding the future of their country not ours.

  14. In a nutshell why “Make them pay their fair share!!” was an absolutely boneheaded argument

    A disarmed Europe with strong loyal American protection is a safer world. Conservatives seem to think all these countries will start arming themselves and then… just continue to listen to America? After we cut them off from our protection and friendship? No, our days as a Hegemonic stabilizing influence are over. The Pax Americana was a real thing, and now we’re going to find out if we can keep the peace without it.

    Now we’ll have more heavily armed groups sitting around with less American influence to keep things calm. We might not all be friends forever.

  15. They should make a Space Force too.

    They could call it UN SPACY.

  16. I don’t want the US to stop helping Ukraine, but for decades I’ve wanted Europe to expand their own damn military. They have the most to lose and have a comparably shit military.

  17. About time.

    Context: 24 years in Finnish army reserves, our alliance is weak. When was the last time you manned the Russian border? Everyone should take a turn.

  18. 🥱 wake me up when there’s 1 trillion dollar investment plan over the next decade. Rather than stupid shit like PESCO that didn’t DO SHIT. Maybe some strongly worded letters will deflect Russian invasion? Biden was right in that video, European leaders have no moral backbone.

  19. Finally some good news and a concept of a plan for Europe.

    Baby steps.

  21. What would Luxembourg even contribute to an EU army? Their grand total of like 1000 soldiers? Their single Airbus and 2 helicopters?

    European nations need to put their money where their mouth is. They keep talking big about expanding the EU’s geopolitical influence, but they continue to do absolutely nothing within their own borders. They just hope France and Germany will do everything for them, but there’s nothing in it for France or Germany.

  22. And if so, which you should, can this disenfranchised American with military experience come join the Countries/Nations that still have a backbone.

  23. Wouldn’t that make the US weaker in the long run? Having less countries rely on us for our military strength means we can’t throw our power around to influence things our way.

  24. The argument that NATO can’t continue because “they don’t spend enough ” is just an excuse that Trump uses to weaken and control EU economy . Even if the NATO members will spend more, there is no guarantee that US will defend their interest. Trump would sell any small country like Estonia to Russia just to negotiate a better price for himself. How can you trust that guy?

  25. Well, well, well …

    … and so the US will lose its last strong influence in Europe. The EU will be forced to pay and organize its own EU military with alliances all over the globe – i guess the country that closed the door will be no close ally anymore. Trump will withdraw troops from Europe and close bases on the way home. This will be irreversible. In the long run, this will harm the USA far more than it will cost the EU Money and sweat to get their EU Military. Not to mention the fact that without close alliances to countries with very similar values in the EU and the West, the USA will probably no longer have the weight in the world it has atm. I know far more countries that want to see the USA burn than, for example, Germany or on Italy – and hey, Germany startet two world wars. Good luck when the EU also says: not our continent, it’s none of our business anymore. Great power comes with great responsibility. I’m not quite sure if every US politician thinks a few decades ahead.

    With tariffs all over the place we will see if the GDP will stay the double compared to the EU. The US should be aware where the US Businesses make a good portion of their money. Amazon, Disney, Apple, Meta, the list goes on and on and on … Punitive tariffs are not necessary – it will be enough if the EU closes the tax gaps toward the USA completely.

    The „stupid“ EU (Ireland) has enabled Apple in the period 2003-2014 not to pay over 14 billion euros in taxes. Money that went to the USA. And this way of not paying taxes in Europe affects most or almost all big US corporations. Tax holes will be the coffin nail, not tariffs.

    Russia, as one of the Big military Players could not overwhelm the Ukraine with their sneaky invasion and everyone thinks the EU would need an army Size of the US to „defend us“ against … the The crippled rest of Russias Army? Who else will send Troops: North Korea? China? That Guy with the deactivated Tesla SUV? As far as i know my Continent, we are not interested in wars around the globe, thats the US.

    You just have to pull the cat by the tail long enough until it goes from lovingly submissive to „then lick my ass“.

    Pro tip: after pulling out of NATO (what your guy can not do without 2/3 of congress) i would not bet that the other members outside the EU choose the side of the US under Trump or one of his clowns.

    Pro Tip 2: I would treat the Amish very very good in near future, since they know how to build houses after they have to be rebuilt because of frequent storms. The upcoming US government also gives a fuck about the planet – they will get out of all environmental agreements … your savior. So be prepared.

    And after all that happened, spend the money on better education before universal healthcare, so we don’t have to read such stupid comments like „we found their universal healthcare through NATO“ or „how would they communicate, do they speak english“ or what the other Orange-Country-Fans had written.

    I would love to write „go and fuck yourself“ but you already did that. So take care of the freaks if you’re not one of them.

    In Love Europe

  26. Good idea. In the end relying on America for protection is a failed policy for Americans and Europeans. Be a real ally and take care of your own security.

  29. Ironic, that’s what Trump wanted. Europe really should have an army though since no individual European country can seem to have one large enough to be of any consequence. If I recall I’ve heard talks of this since his first term.

  33. The US was warning the EU to need to increase their defense budget 10 years ago.

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