Yes, when are all the efficiency gains going to benefit the workers and not just the owner class?
Like I said before this feels like the back end of the Celtic Tiger era again.
Society is overextending itself.
The image of road workers doing manual labour is not representative of the civil service, there are relatively few of those useful people but there are thousands of useless pricks moving paper from one department to another, looking busy whilst doing very little.
Four day work doesn’t make sense for service workers.
I think it’s a good idea. Puts pressure on the private sector to be better to their workers, to avoid losing staff to the public sector as well.
Imagine the teachers allowing other public service workers to have 4 day weeks while they would have 5. lol
Why shouldn’t they? Good for them as far as I’m concerned. It might entice more talent to public service work and give a kick up the hole to other industries to realize the power of unions and what good they can accomplish
If they get this and remote they can pay me like shit and I’ll happily go work there
>People Before Profit-Solidarity TD Mick Barry endorsed the four-day week proposal today, saying:
>“There is no question but that a four-day working week without loss in pay would be hugely beneficial for both the work/life balance in society and for the fight to reduce carbon emissions.
>“Some argue that a shorter working week could pay for itself with increased productivity but I think many companies are making record profits and could afford to take a cut in margins to cover costs.
Someone should ask Mick Barry what profits he thinks the public sector is making.
Think it’s a good idea for public service areas in direct competition with the private sector for people.
I worked in the Central Bank for a while and they couldn’t compete with the private sector at all on salary but the one thing they could offer to lawyers, accountants, people with financial services experience etc. is a much better work life balance with flexi time etc. which is attractive to everyone but especially people with kids.
I think it could help attract more well qualified people to the public sector which is a good thing.
I also want to work less and get paid more
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Damn right. I work in the public sector and 5 days a week on reddit is just tiring at this point
I know some council people who would need to adjust to the extra days work.
We need access to services 7 days per week. If they want to run 4 x 10hrs for office workers/admin then thats probably OK.
If you go to UK, Aus, Can, USA etc these crews run 24/7 and stuff gets done/
If they want to hire more people and split the week into a 3 days on/4 days off week 1 and 4 days on/3 days off week 2 then best of luck to them but we cant have the country grinding to a halt on a Thursday evening every week.
We have a contract out in Galway to an external crowd to service traffic lights and the place is absolute pandemonium when lights go down on a weekend because they only work Mon-Fri. Its seen as a huge oversight down here.
We cant build that failure point into our systems nationally!
Should absolutely do this.
With this make it easier to fire people, and introduce bonuses based on KPI results.
I think its a good idea, but lets not get too hasty here, our public services are currently sub part at best. Provide better services and yes let’s review the working conditions then..
Definitely agree with trying to reduce outsourcing, I work in public sector and the amount of money spent on bringing in external consultants is ridiculous.
The standard working week in the public sector is 35 hours, I am curious if this would mean truncating that to four days (so going from 7 working hours to 8.75 per day), or if it would mean retaining the 7 hour days and bringing the working week down to 28 hours?
Aren’t the Greens advocating for this?
I wouldn’t be against the idea, but would like to see some compromise.
Extend opening hours to later in the evening, to allow working people to contact the departments outside of working hours, maybe also extend services to cover weekends in a limited capacity.
I am not suggesting additional hours, but a few different shifts to adapt to the modern needs of the public.
Obviously, it would only be required in customer facing roles and call centers too.
There is no way that public sector will agree to work two more days per week.
All the public servants on here in the middle of the day commenting feverishly… Tells you all you need to know.
Time to get the DOGE! 😄
We need a 2 day week
If Japan can introduce a 4 day work week, anyone can.
Why would their union advocate for them to work more?
In all seriousness, whatever your opinions on the 4 day week are, some studies have shown it increases productivity and staff morale. Everybody can agree that wages should at least track inflation because if not you are effectively taking a pay cut and likely accepting more responsibility for that pleasure.
It’s funny how people will bitch, moan and joke about an old stereotype of public sector working less hard than they’re paid for, but never care that private sector workers by the same token would be “overpaid” for the “normal” amount of work.
People have this strange standard of logic where as long as you put in a decently taxing/tiring 40hrs/week as a milestone, they don’t seem to care HOW much extra money you earn, even if you’re practically Jeff Bezos level earning €1000s per millisecond.
But if you work anything less than 40hr/week and call it a full time job, people don’t care how badly you’re left behind underpaid over the years versus inflation and other sectors’ earning power, because “inefficient” or some almost moral failing kind of judgement like that
And my name is Santa Claus Ho Ho Ho…
Here for the efficiency gainz and public sector jokes.
Shocked
Spent 26 minutes on the phone to revenue to be only cut off. Did I get a call back after they cut me off? No. A decent employee would have called back but why bother eh? Civil service is a joke and the job for life crap needs to go.
A four day week sounds like a significant increase in workload for them
I’ve been a civil servant for just one year and already I cannot express the loathing and dislike I have for the whiney, expensive, and slimy bastards that are consultants. They’re so work shy and duplicitous that basically the whole department has to do half their work for them if we want to meet deadlines. At which point why are we paying them like.
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Yes, when are all the efficiency gains going to benefit the workers and not just the owner class?
Like I said before this feels like the back end of the Celtic Tiger era again.
Society is overextending itself.
The image of road workers doing manual labour is not representative of the civil service, there are relatively few of those useful people but there are thousands of useless pricks moving paper from one department to another, looking busy whilst doing very little.
Four day work doesn’t make sense for service workers.
I think it’s a good idea. Puts pressure on the private sector to be better to their workers, to avoid losing staff to the public sector as well.
Imagine the teachers allowing other public service workers to have 4 day weeks while they would have 5. lol
Why shouldn’t they? Good for them as far as I’m concerned. It might entice more talent to public service work and give a kick up the hole to other industries to realize the power of unions and what good they can accomplish
If they get this and remote they can pay me like shit and I’ll happily go work there
>People Before Profit-Solidarity TD Mick Barry endorsed the four-day week proposal today, saying:
>“There is no question but that a four-day working week without loss in pay would be hugely beneficial for both the work/life balance in society and for the fight to reduce carbon emissions.
>“Some argue that a shorter working week could pay for itself with increased productivity but I think many companies are making record profits and could afford to take a cut in margins to cover costs.
Someone should ask Mick Barry what profits he thinks the public sector is making.
Think it’s a good idea for public service areas in direct competition with the private sector for people.
I worked in the Central Bank for a while and they couldn’t compete with the private sector at all on salary but the one thing they could offer to lawyers, accountants, people with financial services experience etc. is a much better work life balance with flexi time etc. which is attractive to everyone but especially people with kids.
I think it could help attract more well qualified people to the public sector which is a good thing.
I also want to work less and get paid more
[deleted]
Damn right. I work in the public sector and 5 days a week on reddit is just tiring at this point
I know some council people who would need to adjust to the extra days work.
We need access to services 7 days per week. If they want to run 4 x 10hrs for office workers/admin then thats probably OK.
If you go to UK, Aus, Can, USA etc these crews run 24/7 and stuff gets done/
If they want to hire more people and split the week into a 3 days on/4 days off week 1 and 4 days on/3 days off week 2 then best of luck to them but we cant have the country grinding to a halt on a Thursday evening every week.
We have a contract out in Galway to an external crowd to service traffic lights and the place is absolute pandemonium when lights go down on a weekend because they only work Mon-Fri. Its seen as a huge oversight down here.
We cant build that failure point into our systems nationally!
Should absolutely do this.
With this make it easier to fire people, and introduce bonuses based on KPI results.
I think its a good idea, but lets not get too hasty here, our public services are currently sub part at best. Provide better services and yes let’s review the working conditions then..
Definitely agree with trying to reduce outsourcing, I work in public sector and the amount of money spent on bringing in external consultants is ridiculous.
The standard working week in the public sector is 35 hours, I am curious if this would mean truncating that to four days (so going from 7 working hours to 8.75 per day), or if it would mean retaining the 7 hour days and bringing the working week down to 28 hours?
Aren’t the Greens advocating for this?
I wouldn’t be against the idea, but would like to see some compromise.
Extend opening hours to later in the evening, to allow working people to contact the departments outside of working hours, maybe also extend services to cover weekends in a limited capacity.
I am not suggesting additional hours, but a few different shifts to adapt to the modern needs of the public.
Obviously, it would only be required in customer facing roles and call centers too.
There is no way that public sector will agree to work two more days per week.
All the public servants on here in the middle of the day commenting feverishly… Tells you all you need to know.
Time to get the DOGE! 😄
We need a 2 day week
If Japan can introduce a 4 day work week, anyone can.
Why would their union advocate for them to work more?
In all seriousness, whatever your opinions on the 4 day week are, some studies have shown it increases productivity and staff morale. Everybody can agree that wages should at least track inflation because if not you are effectively taking a pay cut and likely accepting more responsibility for that pleasure.
It’s funny how people will bitch, moan and joke about an old stereotype of public sector working less hard than they’re paid for, but never care that private sector workers by the same token would be “overpaid” for the “normal” amount of work.
People have this strange standard of logic where as long as you put in a decently taxing/tiring 40hrs/week as a milestone, they don’t seem to care HOW much extra money you earn, even if you’re practically Jeff Bezos level earning €1000s per millisecond.
But if you work anything less than 40hr/week and call it a full time job, people don’t care how badly you’re left behind underpaid over the years versus inflation and other sectors’ earning power, because “inefficient” or some almost moral failing kind of judgement like that
And my name is Santa Claus Ho Ho Ho…
Here for the efficiency gainz and public sector jokes.
Shocked
Spent 26 minutes on the phone to revenue to be only cut off. Did I get a call back after they cut me off? No. A decent employee would have called back but why bother eh? Civil service is a joke and the job for life crap needs to go.
A four day week sounds like a significant increase in workload for them
I’ve been a civil servant for just one year and already I cannot express the loathing and dislike I have for the whiney, expensive, and slimy bastards that are consultants. They’re so work shy and duplicitous that basically the whole department has to do half their work for them if we want to meet deadlines. At which point why are we paying them like.
HSE can’t even do a 5 day work week lmao
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