Non-crime hate reports can ruin your chance of getting a job, says former chief prosecutor
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/non-crime-hate-reports-can-ruin-your-chance-of-getting-job/
by ParkedUpWithCoffee
Non-crime hate reports can ruin your chance of getting a job, says former chief prosecutor
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/non-crime-hate-reports-can-ruin-your-chance-of-getting-job/
by ParkedUpWithCoffee
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The whole concept of a non-crime hate incident is a fraud. If you do something that bad that you should be punished significantly for it, surely it should be a crime? And conversely, if you do something that isn’t a crime, you shouldn’t get punished for it. The criminal justice system is literally punishing people for things that aren’t crimes.
> Police forces recorded incidents against a nine-year-old who called a primary school classmate a “retard” and against two secondary school girls who said that another pupil smelt “like fish”.
What a fantastic use of police time and resources.
>”if you’re going to attach someone’s name to these incidents, then you better be sure that there’s a good reason for doing that.
>“Because five years down the line, when they apply for a job, they might not get it. And that might be as a result of a so-called non-crime hate incident recorded against their name that was entirely baseless, entirely motivated by spite or misunderstanding or whatever.
>“I mean, the idea that the police are recording the name of a child because that child has described another child as smelling like a fish is just beyond belief.”
I thought that was the whole intent. Make sure nobody says anything because they know it will hurt them in the future.
Only the rich can afford to fill their record with these non-crime incidents.
Why on earth is reporting non crime incidents to the police a thing? The police are there to enforce the law and by definition a non crime incident is not within their remit.
It’s also a terrible precedent that will allow for the capture of information that will inevitably be used for less than altruistic purposes as this article is alluding to.
Never mind the fact the police aren’t sufficiently funded or staffed to deal with a lot of serious crime. Providing this kind of service is just furthering stretching limited resources when there are much more pressing issues they should be focusing on.
Get rid of this nonsense.
For the record I think it’s pretty dumb to record stuff like this. But when Labour first published [their plan](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/12/labour-police-anti-semitic-islamophobic-non-hate-crime/) to record non-crime hate incidents committed by Telegraph’s “political targets”, they didn’t make a big deal out of it but now when one of their journalists is [the target](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/14/home-office-review-non-crime-hate-incidents-allison-pearson/), they decided to run a full campaign to revert this move. It’s almost like they do not mind their opponent’s freedom of speech being trampled, but will make loud noises if their freedom is at risk. Hypocrisy at its finest.
But ignoring Palestine protests, the BLM protests and rocking up to take part in pride marches in full PPE whilst on duty is perfectly fine also. What a safe country we live in
If it’s a non crime incident why are the police even involved?
The fact that someone can make up an allegation against you without needing to provide any evidence, then this gets brought up in a DBS check is absolutely outrageous.
If it’s a non-crime hate and the police come knocking on your door, and as soon as they tell you its a non-crime hate, then you are well within your rights to say nothing and shut the door.
Isn’t a non-crime hate incident just being mean to someone?
Does that really require police involvement?!
I hate the chief prosecutor. Go ahead, report me. I couldn’t care less who knows.
These non crime hate incidents recordings need to be abolished. There’s laws in place for hate crimes, laws in place for discrimination, laws for threats we don’t need laws for non crimes. The Police should not be in the business of investigating non crimes seeing as their record on crime is utterly abysmal. Just because someone else perceives they’ve been the victim of a hate crime doesn’t make it so.
From the tales of Franz Kafka
This is an institutional problem.
It won’t be resolved until somebody completely and robustly overhauls the entire culture of policing in modern Britain, including things that will make some people uncomfortable such as mass lay offs at the very top, and re-education across the board.
Hate speech legislation also needs to go. It’s not fit for purpose. Incitement to violence is already illegal. Hate is a feeling, feelings are subjective, and should not be policed.
This sort of thing is the fuel that powers the alt-right steam train.
They lied to people about cautions, saying it was a slap on the wrist. But at least with a caution you had to admit guilt, with NCHI you don’t. It’s just put on your record.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous. Nanny state wet wipes.
Am I having a stroke? What is a non-crime hate crime?
I don’t get how this is even a thing.. if police turn up to ask us about a “non-crime” can’t we just ask them why the hell they are wasting our time if no crime has been committed, get off our doorstep and do some proper work
Can they get back to solving actual crime rather than offended curtain twitchers? Maybe have a look into some of those unsolved burglaries
We need to put a stop to this bullshit now it is a cancer . Police should not be going after social media posts they should be dealing with actual crimes not hurt feelings, it’s pathetic .
Out country is turning to shite right in front of our eyes and if we say or do anything about it we will end up with a prison sentence.
WTF is going on, you can’t even call a spade a spade without upsetting some leftie loonatic and the thought police kicking your front door down.
A total embarrassment when you look at how most women and girls are not safe to walk UK city streets after dark anymore.
Left wing governments police what you say and not what you do.
(Not saying right wing is better but the left has lost its mind on these issues)
being investigated over something thats not even a crime… i never thought freedom of speech would be undermined in such a farcical manner.
I’ll throw it out there, anecdotally as a very young teen another girl and I said some pretty awful things to a girl once over MSN during one conversation. I was really angry at her for something else and I think said I was going to kill her. I had no actual intent of harm, I was just angry and being abusive. She reported to the police, they showed up and read out the transcript of the conversation, looking somewhat bored as I sat there ashamed. I obviously regretted it and haven’t done anything out the sort since. Since growing up pretty much all of my jobs as an adult have required the most advanced DBS checks, and I’ve never had any issues.
If the crime was bad enough to stop you getting a job, it was not something trivial like a kid saying something mean to another kid. It means you have really done/said something so sincerely awful that it’s a long term mark against you (to the extent it only just missed the threshold of evidence for criminal persecution).
This man is trying to use ridiculous non existent “what if” cases to scare people into not reporting hate speech.
Remember, kids!
The police actually have a huge amount of autonomy in the UK. Not as much as, say, the US, but the vast, vast, VAST majority of their policies, day to day affairs, and choices regarding how and when they tackle crime are left up to them.
The police love to use the tactic of ‘Well we wanted to stop all the burglaries, but Big Daddy Government said we have to write down playground insults all day instead!’ when they simply cannot be bothered to do their actual jobs.
The Government can’t rebutt them because then it looks like they’re ‘not siding with the police’, which is generally, all things politically considered, a very bad move.
Look up your local force’s clearance rate. I guarantee it’s absolutely abysmal, and I guarantee if you dig a little deeper you’ll find this is due to either non-attendance of incidents, or vanishing necessary paperwork.
Our modern police force is completely unfit for purpose; Cowardly, lazy, beligerent, and yet also somehow arrogant, preening, smug, and vainglorious.
Your local force isn’t spending all day every day trawling schools taking down notes about bullying because the law or Government tells them to. They do it so they can hoover in a very well protected taxpayer job with nice benefits, a good pension, and can knock off early on Wednesdays to go down to the gun range so they can finally become an armed response officer which has the nice added bonus of a bigger paycheque, more qualified immunity, and they might just get to live out their depraved fantasies of being able to shoot a stranger dead with none if any recourse.
Duh, nobody wants a racist working for their company.
Wonder what the result of a referendum would be on recording ‘non-crime hate incidents’?
Our country is a joke
But Palestine lovers are given police escorts every Saturday for the last 52 weeks. Two tier Kier at his finest
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