How I did it: going back to 1976 using the UN simulation than going to Free simulation and putting the fertility rate for each year since 1976 and since the site does not add immigration data when doing free simulation it changes the population only based on births (which I know has immigrant births included but it is the closest I can get)
Why 1976? : It is when the fertility rate (number of births/woman) of spain started decreasing
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It is indeed a strong point against zero immigration politics, however, this may not be a truthful forecast as there could be policies put in place to promote birth rate and have better demographics, right?
I would be a much better place, don’t sell your peace for money for greedy corporations.
Unrestricted immigration only benefits corporations that want cheap labour.
Zero immigration is the slowest but most permanent way to make the economy collapse
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You know that eternal growth is not possible right?
How is there like 5 different English speaking comments promoting racist bullshit within 10 minutes? What the fuck us happening to reddit?
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This is assuming it has no impact on birth rates. More demand for local workers and more empty houses+more building space= higher salaries, lower housing costs, and higher birthrates
I mean, people constantly blame tourists for high house prices, a population much smaller in number and that brings significantly more money per day spent here than the average immigrant
This is not an argument against immigration, just that the graph isn’t quite thought through
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Spain would collapse in a few years if we had that policy.
Saquen pollas y a comer coños
Well, how about enforcong legal bordes to only allow legal immigrants and redirect some funds from abortion (which is quite large, mind you) to support pregnancies, childbearing, and families with more than one child? You know, support people who want to have kids?
Does anybody know if Spain opening a citizenship pathway to Spanish grandchildren has something to do with its population decline? OP mentioned in the comments something about the possible extinction of Spaniards and thought one way to cushion that is letting the descendants go back. 🤔
The problem is not inmigration but the quality of the inmigrants we receive people who cannot read in their own language and come with fanatical and getting rich quick ideas and we expect them to integrate, learn our language and compete with our labour.
And these inmigrants are a net negative on the state, most of them pay no taxes or low taxes while receiving a lot of state assistance.
And there are many criminals too who come here knowing that the law will not punish them so they can burglarize, steal, abuse and scam with little consequences
What I don’t understand is how immigration leads to more babies. Don’t the immigrants have the same issues as Spaniards? Or have immigrant women no interest in having a career? How can they survive on 1 salary then if only the males are working, and Spaniards need both woman and man to have a job?
Just trying to wrap my head around why immigration leads to higher fertility.
Feel free to explain it to me, I never paid a lot of attention to this, keen to learn.
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Sir, that is the same as the actual population pyramid.
Spain should honestly privatize their pension system and adopt American-style right-to-work laws if they want to go at a pace with the US when it comes to annual GDP growth rate.
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You did not take into consideration THAT there had not been immigration the message from the government and media were total opposite in order to yield new babies.
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Actual 2024 population: 48 million
Source: https://www.ined.fr/en/everything_about_population/population-games/tomorrow-population/
How I did it: going back to 1976 using the UN simulation than going to Free simulation and putting the fertility rate for each year since 1976 and since the site does not add immigration data when doing free simulation it changes the population only based on births (which I know has immigrant births included but it is the closest I can get)
Why 1976? : It is when the fertility rate (number of births/woman) of spain started decreasing
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It is indeed a strong point against zero immigration politics, however, this may not be a truthful forecast as there could be policies put in place to promote birth rate and have better demographics, right?
I would be a much better place, don’t sell your peace for money for greedy corporations.
Unrestricted immigration only benefits corporations that want cheap labour.
Zero immigration is the slowest but most permanent way to make the economy collapse
[removed]
You know that eternal growth is not possible right?
How is there like 5 different English speaking comments promoting racist bullshit within 10 minutes? What the fuck us happening to reddit?
[removed]
This is assuming it has no impact on birth rates. More demand for local workers and more empty houses+more building space= higher salaries, lower housing costs, and higher birthrates
I mean, people constantly blame tourists for high house prices, a population much smaller in number and that brings significantly more money per day spent here than the average immigrant
This is not an argument against immigration, just that the graph isn’t quite thought through
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Spain would collapse in a few years if we had that policy.
Saquen pollas y a comer coños
Well, how about enforcong legal bordes to only allow legal immigrants and redirect some funds from abortion (which is quite large, mind you) to support pregnancies, childbearing, and families with more than one child? You know, support people who want to have kids?
Does anybody know if Spain opening a citizenship pathway to Spanish grandchildren has something to do with its population decline? OP mentioned in the comments something about the possible extinction of Spaniards and thought one way to cushion that is letting the descendants go back. 🤔
The problem is not inmigration but the quality of the inmigrants we receive people who cannot read in their own language and come with fanatical and getting rich quick ideas and we expect them to integrate, learn our language and compete with our labour.
And these inmigrants are a net negative on the state, most of them pay no taxes or low taxes while receiving a lot of state assistance.
And there are many criminals too who come here knowing that the law will not punish them so they can burglarize, steal, abuse and scam with little consequences
What I don’t understand is how immigration leads to more babies. Don’t the immigrants have the same issues as Spaniards? Or have immigrant women no interest in having a career? How can they survive on 1 salary then if only the males are working, and Spaniards need both woman and man to have a job?
Just trying to wrap my head around why immigration leads to higher fertility.
Feel free to explain it to me, I never paid a lot of attention to this, keen to learn.
En qué estrella estará
Sir, that is the same as the actual population pyramid.
Spain should honestly privatize their pension system and adopt American-style right-to-work laws if they want to go at a pace with the US when it comes to annual GDP growth rate.
This post is sponsored by PSOE
You did not take into consideration THAT there had not been immigration the message from the government and media were total opposite in order to yield new babies.
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