Surprise surprise the SE gets better infrastructure than the North. I wonder how that third of households without a dedicated driveway are distributed. I would love to know how that was calculated as it seems low. Will there be a body overseeing prices because I have a sneeky suspicion that the price at public charge points will be higher than those at private ones. This should ensure the inequality of access is joined by an inequality of price which will disproportionately affect homes in poorer areas who don’t have charge points. There will be stories of people trying to charge their cars through windows with cables across the pavement and the consequences. This whole mandate is a joke, unless you live in the SE.
Aren’t ICE vehicle sales going to be halted in 2030? How on earth will people be able to charge these new electric cars that we’re all going to be forced to buy? The government have 8 years to roll out charging points to every residential street in the country.
One thing I’ve noticed is that the few charging points around my local area is that they’re often only in banks of between 1-3 chargers. If the vast majority of people are going to own EV’s in the future then there needs to be a *lot* more.
At this rate poor people are just going to be priced off the road, I plan on hanging onto an ICE vehicle as long as possible.
The regional distribution certainly needs addressing given the stats in that article!
Overall though, the headline figures of car sales vs chargers growth isn’t really telling the full picture.
Perhaps what we had was a large network of underused EV charging points.
I certainly haven’t heard of a significant problem of cars being stranded because there’s nowhere to charge them. Is that an issue? I often walk past EV chargers not being used.
It will be a problem going forwards if the trend continues for sure, but I’m not aware of it being a huge problem at the moment.
Ultimately though there is no point servicing a demand that doesn’t exist.
Why would you fill any area that doesn’t want/need or can’t afford electric cars with charging points?
Regulations have now changed so new residential and non-domestic buildings (and buildings under renovation) are required to have EV charging points per every 10 parking spaces – this should hopefully expand the implementation of charging points.
> The disparity between the number of chargers and cars is growing faster in the north of England than in the south
Shocking.
Can’t we just place them all over car parks and petrol stations
I don’t what areas these people live in with cables running from lamp posts but in Bradford the cables will either be unplugged , cut, swapped or pinched. Maybe for lower crime areas this is an answer but here its just going to be another creative way for assholes to make some money or cause mischief. I do wonder if anyone who is planning this move to EVs has ever lived outside their middle class bubble.
Thing is though, BEV technology is still developing really rapidly. 800v is the new thing, but isn’t widely used in either BEVs or chargers yet. It doesn’t make sense for the gov to roll out a nationwide system of chargers only for them to be obsolete within a few years. Once a standard has clearly established itself, that’s the time to do it.
Until then though, the focus ought to be getting the underlying utilities pushed to waaaay more places so that when the time comes for fitting chargers, easily accessible high power lines ought to be in the ground nearby already.
There are [fuck all](https://imgur.com/NsfUVUD) in Northern Ireland, only ahead of the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. We’ve 1.8m more people than the Isle of Man.
The North East of England’s charge network isn’t that bad. I first got an EV in 2018 and it felt like I was the only one using half the charge points. The reliability of them was more of an issue rather then there not being enough of them. I had a few sketchy moments when a charge point I intended to use was out of order and had to drive to the next nearest one praying I’d make it with the heater turned off.
The number of charge point will increase with demand, currently it just not worthwhile have rows of charge point
Eventually we’ll see petrol stations installing charging points, and slowly phasing out fuel pumps for more charging points, until decades from now there will be 1 fuel pump and two dozen charging points.
This isn’t even touching on people who live in flats or people with no easy way to get a charger out to their car safely if they park their car at the road and have to leave it there for a while.
I have never had to wait more than five minutes for a charger, except when my local gym was free to charge. The reason less chargers are here is because less are needed.
People in the North who can afford a Tesla can also afford a house with a drive. I can get to Liverpool and back (from Leeds) with one charge, passing several fast charge points.
The infrastructure is dire in rural areas but presumably will go up when there are people with electric cars and an actual market
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Surprise surprise the SE gets better infrastructure than the North. I wonder how that third of households without a dedicated driveway are distributed. I would love to know how that was calculated as it seems low. Will there be a body overseeing prices because I have a sneeky suspicion that the price at public charge points will be higher than those at private ones. This should ensure the inequality of access is joined by an inequality of price which will disproportionately affect homes in poorer areas who don’t have charge points. There will be stories of people trying to charge their cars through windows with cables across the pavement and the consequences. This whole mandate is a joke, unless you live in the SE.
Aren’t ICE vehicle sales going to be halted in 2030? How on earth will people be able to charge these new electric cars that we’re all going to be forced to buy? The government have 8 years to roll out charging points to every residential street in the country.
One thing I’ve noticed is that the few charging points around my local area is that they’re often only in banks of between 1-3 chargers. If the vast majority of people are going to own EV’s in the future then there needs to be a *lot* more.
At this rate poor people are just going to be priced off the road, I plan on hanging onto an ICE vehicle as long as possible.
The regional distribution certainly needs addressing given the stats in that article!
Overall though, the headline figures of car sales vs chargers growth isn’t really telling the full picture.
Perhaps what we had was a large network of underused EV charging points.
I certainly haven’t heard of a significant problem of cars being stranded because there’s nowhere to charge them. Is that an issue? I often walk past EV chargers not being used.
It will be a problem going forwards if the trend continues for sure, but I’m not aware of it being a huge problem at the moment.
Ultimately though there is no point servicing a demand that doesn’t exist.
Why would you fill any area that doesn’t want/need or can’t afford electric cars with charging points?
Regulations have now changed so new residential and non-domestic buildings (and buildings under renovation) are required to have EV charging points per every 10 parking spaces – this should hopefully expand the implementation of charging points.
> The disparity between the number of chargers and cars is growing faster in the north of England than in the south
Shocking.
Can’t we just place them all over car parks and petrol stations
I don’t what areas these people live in with cables running from lamp posts but in Bradford the cables will either be unplugged , cut, swapped or pinched. Maybe for lower crime areas this is an answer but here its just going to be another creative way for assholes to make some money or cause mischief. I do wonder if anyone who is planning this move to EVs has ever lived outside their middle class bubble.
Thing is though, BEV technology is still developing really rapidly. 800v is the new thing, but isn’t widely used in either BEVs or chargers yet. It doesn’t make sense for the gov to roll out a nationwide system of chargers only for them to be obsolete within a few years. Once a standard has clearly established itself, that’s the time to do it.
Until then though, the focus ought to be getting the underlying utilities pushed to waaaay more places so that when the time comes for fitting chargers, easily accessible high power lines ought to be in the ground nearby already.
There are [fuck all](https://imgur.com/NsfUVUD) in Northern Ireland, only ahead of the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. We’ve 1.8m more people than the Isle of Man.
The North East of England’s charge network isn’t that bad. I first got an EV in 2018 and it felt like I was the only one using half the charge points. The reliability of them was more of an issue rather then there not being enough of them. I had a few sketchy moments when a charge point I intended to use was out of order and had to drive to the next nearest one praying I’d make it with the heater turned off.
The number of charge point will increase with demand, currently it just not worthwhile have rows of charge point
Eventually we’ll see petrol stations installing charging points, and slowly phasing out fuel pumps for more charging points, until decades from now there will be 1 fuel pump and two dozen charging points.
This isn’t even touching on people who live in flats or people with no easy way to get a charger out to their car safely if they park their car at the road and have to leave it there for a while.
I have never had to wait more than five minutes for a charger, except when my local gym was free to charge. The reason less chargers are here is because less are needed.
People in the North who can afford a Tesla can also afford a house with a drive. I can get to Liverpool and back (from Leeds) with one charge, passing several fast charge points.
The infrastructure is dire in rural areas but presumably will go up when there are people with electric cars and an actual market