Erdogan’s peace plan: freezing war along current front lines, demilitarised zone in Donbas, deploying peacekeepers, and postponement of Kyiv joining NATO discussion ‘as concession to Putin’

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/11/18/erdogan-to-propose-peace-plan-to-freeze-war-in-ukraine-at-g20-summit-in-brazil-en-news

by duckanroll

47 comments

  2. “Peace is when you give aggressors everything they want.”

    Wonder how he feels about a demilitarized zone in Gaza and Lebanon …

  3. For a while, I thought Biden’s endless war strategy was a mistake, but it’s clear it’s the only way to drain Russia enough for change to come from within—like in 1918. If we settle now, it’s external pressure ending the war, not internal change. That means Russia will just recover and come back stronger for future aggression.

  4. Why does everyone’s peace plan look like rewarding Putin 🤬

  6. >However, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov dismissed the plan on Monday as being “unacceptable” to Moscow, and referred instead to a set of conditions outlined by Vladimir Putin in June as Russia’s blueprint for ending the conflict.

    >Putin’s conditions, which include Kyiv pledging never to join NATO and handing over four of its regions to Moscow in their entirety, have already been flatly rejected by Kyiv.

    ok lol 😀

  8. so basically minsk 3, because the previous two worked so well /s

  11. Funny thing is that a lot of people might not like this proposal (including me) because it’s giving “too much to Putin” but Putin himself would not even look at this offer because he still wants 100% of what he asked for initially – army reduction of Ukraine by 90%, Ukraine giving away territories they control in Zoporizhia and Donbas, Russian rights increased in Ukraine, no NATO ever etc. etc.

  13. That’s not a concession, it’s exactly what Putin wanted. This was the plan all along, and I’m not surprised that Erdogan is supporting it considering it’s more or less exactly what happened in Cyprus.

  14. Remember when instead of surrender all these leaders said that the terms will be dictated by Ukraine? NATO obviously has lost hope in america’s support, so they are ready to sacrifice Ukraine’s territories and everything else that was lost for temporary peace.

  15. Its interesting that this narrative never mentions kursk.

  16. How is freezing the battlefield lines not a concession to Putin. Other than the Kursk sliver of land, it’s a net positive for ruzzia.

  17. Ask Erdogan if he would accept the same terms if it was war on his soil. Give up your own territory and also let the conqueror dictate what alliance you should stay out of going forward.

  19. I’m not for war, but Putin is an agressor. No appeasement, make him pay dearly.

  21. „After promising that he has no more territorial demands after the Sudetenland, let’s give the rest of Czechoslovakia to Hitler as well. That’ll satisfy his hunger for expansion forever and save peace in Europe“

  22. There is no peace as long as Russia exists. Trust me, my country has been dealing with them for centuries. They will always be dangerous to any form of life.

  23. Leaving aside the fact that Russia basically gets everything they want out of this and Ukraine gains nothing, as long as this supposed “peace plan” doesnt involve Russia demilitarizing then this just means Russia will rearm again in the future and have one of their proxy forces like a PMC breach the ceasefire to claim plausible deniability like they did with the Minsk agreements, force Ukraine fire on them in return, then start up the war again.

    Russia already committed to nationalizing many of its industries and they won’t revert them after this war is put on hold, they will insist on sanctions being removed and funds being unfrozen, they will try to rebuild their stocks of vehicles and weapons over the next few years, they will try to get more and more far right leaders elected in Europe to veto aid measures, and then they will attack again when they will be in a favorable position.

    However, Ukraine will never agree to anything like this so good luck to Trump or anyone else who tries to force this unfair plan on them. They will never yield to this just like they will never yield to Russia.

  24. In the mean time, get Ukraine into the EU, get it working and increase standards of living… continue arming it and getting it up to NATO standards. Continue and increase sanctions on Russia.

  25. So, why should Ukraine accept any “concessions” to Putin?

  27. The thing is, Russia’s war economy is rolling, and that’s basically plundering your own country. Russia needs loot to make up for it. A lot of loot. Any peace before Russia has exhausted itself is just a ceasefire, and its preferable to have them exhaust themselves in Eastern Ukraine than elsewhere down the line, as long as Ukraine is up for it.

  28. Putin demanded they wont join NATo, that basically tells you he is planning to invade again in few years

  30. Sure, as long as creating an independent Kurdistan including part south east Turkey and returning territory to Armenia are also part of the plan.

  31. “No NATO” basically means : “We still want to be able to invade you when are our army gets replenished.”

  32. Useless. If Russia immediately breaks the treaty after signing and attacks again, a handful of peacekeepers would not be able to stop the attack or do anything at all. There must be a penalty clause that if Russia breaks the treaty, the frozen 300 billions Russian assets will be confiscated right away and transferred to Ukraine, and also no less than 100,000 troops from different European countries shall be deployed along the frontline. Without these two terms, any treat signed is totally useless and simply means nothing.

  33. Basically: allowing Russia to keep the conflict going on a smaller flame until they can recuperate and attack again. Amazing, A+, perfect plan, just as expected from a perfectly independent mediator.

  34. That is too close to ukrainian requests:

    1. Demilitarizing Donbas now that Russia has the troops there, would mean a retreat and they have no reason to retreat, since they are winning;
    2. Peacekeepers will be probably controlled by western countries and lol at that.
    3. Postponement about NATO makes no sense: either they will never join nato or they will at sometime (and the latter is not acceptable to Russia)
    4. Freezing the lines now that Ukraine is losing and western countries have depleted their stocks would just mean for Russia to leave them time to regroup and restart later. They fell for that with Minsk’s agreement, I doubt they can fall for it again.

  35. DIdn’t Erdogan himself say just a few months ago that Crimea must be returned to Ukraine?

  37. Ah, so basically ye olde Russian playbook ever since Transnistria? Cool cool

  39. Honestly, this is probably the most reasonable plan seen so far, but both Ukraine and Russia won’t accept it.

    It sucks for both but that’s why they call it negotiation. They all get something but not everything they want.

  40. This proposal is going down faster than the Turkish Lira and the Russia Ruble/Rubble.

  41. How stupid are Russia, asking Ukraine to concede territory is already egregious but asking for an obligation never to join NATO? They must do things differently in Russia man

  43. If Ukraine would be also at fault, this would be a great plan. But it is not, this is Putins war and every peace on his terms will result in war in the near future.

    RUSSIA has to fucking loose for a lasting peace.

  44. Erdogan acquiescing to Putin, his not so secret dictator buddy, just as Ukraine was suffering from a lack of Western support and Trump came along? Imagine my shock

  45. Most realistic peace plan:

    Split Ukraine into two with Dnieper river as natural border. Eastern Ukraine gets into EU and NATO, western Ukraine becomes a Russian puppet state.

  46. Well, this plan is going where all the previous “peace plans” are – in the trash.

  47. Waiting for SOMEONE to propose a peace plan that doesn’t involve bending over and giving Putin everything he wants. Maybe restoring Ukraine’s 1991 borders 👀

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