But the fossil fuel lobby says it isn’t! They wouldn’t lie, would they?
Yeah, I’m sure the uranium to make these work will just fall from the sky any of these days (instead of one of those mine we keep outside of the EU because their working conditions are so bad, they wouldn’t be remotely legal here). /s
But do you know what falls from the sky? Sunlight. If you want to have nuclear energy, we have one going on for several billions of years at exactly 1 AU. Couple it with water reservoir to act as batteries for the night, and you do not need to depend on a much more limited fuel.
Nuclear is always the future never the present…
Your future, our past.
I mean, it is this kind of naivity that gives nuclear chills and the industry as a whole such a bad name.
Nuclear is worth debating but who in their right mind wants to go to an energy form whose main proponents are so ideologically blinded that they outright dismiss the existence of downsides?
GLORY TO THE ATOM!
Ah yes, that thing that produces tons of toxic waste that won’t go away is totally safe and has no downside guys!
It’s so funny how delusional reddit is when it comes to nuclear. At least it’s mostly ironic in this sub
Nuclear is totally safe. Apart from the plants in Ukraine That might destroy it by accident. Previously a very safe stable country
Nuclear is a solution for wealthy, stable countries not prone to national disasters. It’s way more complicated than it’s advocates make out.
It’s really great for antagonizing germans. The fact that is also produces electricity is a nice bonus.
But probably the best alternative for really large scale stable production of energy, unless you have hydro power.
Yeah, but depending on the country where you live, there are regional factors which can make NPPs very unprofitable. Here are some arguments from a comment I posted in a different thread.
* NPPs are extremely expensive to build. See Hinkley Point C
* The building process takes over a decade. See Hinkley Point C (And we need more electricity quickly)
* You need a massive amount of water for cooling NPPs. Last Summer, France and Switzerland had to throttle their NPPs to a bare minimum because there were droughts and the small amount of water which was available, was way too warm to have a cooling effect. And if you look at the statistics, we are going to have way more of those severe droughts in the future.
* Here in Europe, electricity from renewables is now way cheaper than electricity from nuclear, if you exclude the heavy subsidies.
* Even though the waste is not very dangerous, you need a place where you can store it safely for a long time. Our government spent over a billion € to search for that place, they couldn’t find one. And because of EU regulation, we aren’t allowed to export that waste to other countries.
* In Germany, we can get a solid base load even if we only use renewables.
* Where do we get the uranium from? France still buys larges quantities of it from Russia or countries which are Russian allies. Well, we Germans experienced what can happen, if you do that, and don’t diversify your energy suppliers. Spoiler: Can’t recommend.
* While these private companies who operate NPPs often make billions in profits, the ones who have to pay for the expensive stuff like waste storage are the taxpayers. But to be fair, that’s also something oil and gas companies do.
* Almost forgot to mention that those small reactors who can recycle nuclear waste are still in development, and it will take several decades until they can be used.
Love that here we’ve debated that it will take too long to build for like the past 30 years. Also amazing that one of our “green” parties refuses to acknowledge it’s safe…
I’m not feeling creative today, I’m tired, but wanted to just say: HAHA HANS
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Does it make you dependent on Russian oligarchs? No? Not interested
Ignoring Tschernobyl, Fukushima and the waste that may last 10000 years
Shhhh You’ll scare the Jermans!
Ressources arent unlimites
Russian propaganda
Money
Well it’s expensive but it’s a far better transitioning technology towards a brighter renewable future with a Dyson sphere
So we can ship the waste to you?
“No, our corrupt politians cant be trusted with anything”
“Guys, we should give them more nuclear reactors”
We didnt fuck spains ass so they didnt build a nuclear waste depot on the margins of a river WE share. Green is the way, and whoever doesnt believe that is… well that isnt quite an insult but i’ll say that they are a nincompoop
just prohibitively expensive upfront costs
Theory and reality rarely meet. Chernobyl too was completely safe, until corruption met incompetence and ambition.
The human factor can turn the safest things known to man into disasters, I’m not saying it’s not the best path forward, but I completely understand everyone that opposes it, there are many other timelines on which Europe is a nuclear wasteland because of a single screw up. Nuclear power is terrifying.
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Well it is expensive
Where is the waste gonna go once Belgium is full?
https://preview.redd.it/xpdxfybmyn2e1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1ae6dbcf6316ae2b3aa5615c616054432351bcf
But the fossil fuel lobby says it isn’t! They wouldn’t lie, would they?
Yeah, I’m sure the uranium to make these work will just fall from the sky any of these days (instead of one of those mine we keep outside of the EU because their working conditions are so bad, they wouldn’t be remotely legal here). /s
But do you know what falls from the sky? Sunlight. If you want to have nuclear energy, we have one going on for several billions of years at exactly 1 AU. Couple it with water reservoir to act as batteries for the night, and you do not need to depend on a much more limited fuel.
Nuclear is always the future never the present…
Your future, our past.
I mean, it is this kind of naivity that gives nuclear chills and the industry as a whole such a bad name.
Nuclear is worth debating but who in their right mind wants to go to an energy form whose main proponents are so ideologically blinded that they outright dismiss the existence of downsides?
GLORY TO THE ATOM!
Ah yes, that thing that produces tons of toxic waste that won’t go away is totally safe and has no downside guys!
It’s so funny how delusional reddit is when it comes to nuclear. At least it’s mostly ironic in this sub
Nuclear is totally safe. Apart from the plants in Ukraine That might destroy it by accident. Previously a very safe stable country
Nuclear is a solution for wealthy, stable countries not prone to national disasters. It’s way more complicated than it’s advocates make out.
It’s really great for antagonizing germans. The fact that is also produces electricity is a nice bonus.
Not free though.
https://preview.redd.it/0d3lauhpjo2e1.png?width=596&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a89e25e90ec66d70cd388a782f44d0374cbad84
But probably the best alternative for really large scale stable production of energy, unless you have hydro power.
Yeah, but depending on the country where you live, there are regional factors which can make NPPs very unprofitable. Here are some arguments from a comment I posted in a different thread.
* NPPs are extremely expensive to build. See Hinkley Point C
* The building process takes over a decade. See Hinkley Point C (And we need more electricity quickly)
* You need a massive amount of water for cooling NPPs. Last Summer, France and Switzerland had to throttle their NPPs to a bare minimum because there were droughts and the small amount of water which was available, was way too warm to have a cooling effect. And if you look at the statistics, we are going to have way more of those severe droughts in the future.
* Here in Europe, electricity from renewables is now way cheaper than electricity from nuclear, if you exclude the heavy subsidies.
* Even though the waste is not very dangerous, you need a place where you can store it safely for a long time. Our government spent over a billion € to search for that place, they couldn’t find one. And because of EU regulation, we aren’t allowed to export that waste to other countries.
* In Germany, we can get a solid base load even if we only use renewables.
* Where do we get the uranium from? France still buys larges quantities of it from Russia or countries which are Russian allies. Well, we Germans experienced what can happen, if you do that, and don’t diversify your energy suppliers. Spoiler: Can’t recommend.
* While these private companies who operate NPPs often make billions in profits, the ones who have to pay for the expensive stuff like waste storage are the taxpayers. But to be fair, that’s also something oil and gas companies do.
* Almost forgot to mention that those small reactors who can recycle nuclear waste are still in development, and it will take several decades until they can be used.
Love that here we’ve debated that it will take too long to build for like the past 30 years. Also amazing that one of our “green” parties refuses to acknowledge it’s safe…
I’m not feeling creative today, I’m tired, but wanted to just say: HAHA HANS
[removed]
Does it make you dependent on Russian oligarchs? No? Not interested
Ignoring Tschernobyl, Fukushima and the waste that may last 10000 years
Shhhh You’ll scare the Jermans!
Ressources arent unlimites
Russian propaganda
Money
Well it’s expensive but it’s a far better transitioning technology towards a brighter renewable future with a Dyson sphere
So we can ship the waste to you?
“No, our corrupt politians cant be trusted with anything”
“Guys, we should give them more nuclear reactors”
We didnt fuck spains ass so they didnt build a nuclear waste depot on the margins of a river WE share. Green is the way, and whoever doesnt believe that is… well that isnt quite an insult but i’ll say that they are a nincompoop
just prohibitively expensive upfront costs
Theory and reality rarely meet. Chernobyl too was completely safe, until corruption met incompetence and ambition.
The human factor can turn the safest things known to man into disasters, I’m not saying it’s not the best path forward, but I completely understand everyone that opposes it, there are many other timelines on which Europe is a nuclear wasteland because of a single screw up. Nuclear power is terrifying.
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