Ukrainians fear for civilians living under occupation if peace negotiations involve ceding territory to Russia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-26/ukraine-life-in-russia-occupied-territories-war-trump-putin/104573300

Posted by LeVoPhEdInFuSiOn

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  1. This article talks about life in the Kharkiv region, focusing on a young mother and her family and describes the possible situations that could happen under a Trump peace plan. This article also describes the many human rights abuses against the Ukrainians happening under the Russian Military regime. There is likelihood that under Trump that Ukraine will need to concede some land to Putin for the sake of peace which many Ukrainians oppose. This article also talks about the logistics of Ukraine joining NATO and how it can achieve that in the future. They also talk about a volunteer service helping people leave the Kharkiv region due to the increasing conflict.

  2. Most people who are pro-Ukraine probably left these places a long time ago. Let’s be honest here, most people in Crimea in 2014 probably legitimately supported Russian annexation (although it likely isn’t 97%) and in the intervening decade I’m going to guess that most people who identified as Ukrainian packed their bags and moved to the actual Ukraine.

  3. What you are seeing here is three groups (The USA, the EU and Russia) fighting for control over minerals and strategic assets.

    The EU has little strategic minerals, especially those required for a renewable future. With Ukriane in the EU it would get minerals, gas and oil, and massive agricultural assets that transitionally have been used to feed developing nations. This makes Ukriane of immense strategic importance to the EU.

    The USA knows that should Ukraine join the EU it will mach and rival them. The USA has always had a strategic advantage over the EU with its vast mineral and agricultural assets. Thus the USA has always had an agenda to keep Ukraine out of EU control.

    Russia didn’t care either way, until the EU started talking of its own army. An EU controlled Ukraine would put a major foreign power on its doorstep.

    The EU got a nasty shock when it realised how impotent it really is in the world stage. The EU always prioritised economic power over military might. When the Russian gas was cut off (the USA almost certainly blew up the pipe) that economic power vanished overnight.

    The outcome is probably going to be Russia getting East Ukraine (which includes much of the minerals and energy that the EU wanted), West Ukraine becoming a semi demilitarised nation that has no overseas military alignment, and the USA getting control over the minerals and agricultural assets in the West. The EU gets nothing.

    $50 says I am right.

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